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The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 6 - Adriana Lima

Previous parts: 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.  This entry addresses Adriana Lima.

I had earlier largely avoided addressing Adriana Lima because of an ancestry confound, but there is no escaping addressing a big one like her.  Adriana obviously does not look like a male-to-female transsexual, but as specified earlier, all Victoria’s Secret models do not have to look like transsexuals in order for the title to be justified.

People familiar with Adriana Lima but not having carefully examined her looks will recall a woman with a large [fake] bust, wide hips, thick lips and non-angular features, which altogether do not suggest masculinization, and those knowledgeable about the gay domination of the fashion business may wonder how an apparently feminine woman made it big as a fashion model.  Therefore, this entry will address how feminine Adriana Lima is, starting from her early pictures.

Take a look at the following picture of Adriana as a teenager and see if you can sense some masculinization, specifically boyishness, notwithstanding her non-angular facial features and thick lips.

Adriana Lima

The following pictures may help one sense the masculinization if the previous picture is not helpful.

Adriana Lima

Readers who still cannot see the masculinization in Adriana Lima’s face should refer to the following pictures of a teenage girl, Marketa from glamour.cz, and then look carefully at the pictures above.

Marketa from glamour.cz

Marketa from glamour.cz

Marketa’s pictures in this entry and those of a teenage Adriana are unlikely to be confounded by a sharp age difference in favor of Marketa since glamour.cz reports that all its models are at least 18.

A young Adriana Lima didn’t just have a masculinized face; her physique was slender and boyish, too.

Adriana Lima

Adriana Lima

Adriana Lima

Marketa, although flatter-chested than Adriana, has a face, body proportions and backside that don’t give her a boyish look; Marketa looks like a girl.

Marketa from glamour.cz

Marketa from glamour.cz

Therefore, Adriana is certainly not an anomaly in terms of a supposedly feminine girl having made it big as a fashion model; minus her boyishness in teenagehood, there would have been no need to write this entry.  After having lost her boyishness, Adriana has only be suitable for limited work such as lingerie modeling, but her high status has allowed her to model in other settings.  A masculinized teenage girl is not normally going to grow into a feminine adult woman, and Adriana is no exception.

See the following two pictures where she is compared to Veronika Zemanova, also with breast implants, and note the striking difference with respect to approximating an hourglass figure, obviously because Veronika Zemanova is feminine.

Adriana Lima, Veronika Zemanova

Adriana Lima, Veronika Zemanova

Veronika Zemanova is so feminine that in a number of pictures her breasts look natural, and in clothing she would put to shame any Victoria’s Secret model.

Veronika Zemanova

On the other hand, whereas Adriana Lima has gained weight and become a woman, she has not acquired the femininity that should be required of high-profile lingerie models, even with breast implants.

Adriana Lima

Look at the following two pictures of a more mature Adriana Lima and see if you can sense the masculinization; the second picture should be an easy one.  Also look at this picture and see if her face looks somewhat masculinized, and note her hairy and manly-looking forearms.

Adriana Lima

Adriana Lima

It would help to compare Adriana Lima to an all-natural feminine woman that would be ideal for lingerie modeling, and I was thinking about an appropriate woman when it occurred to me that I should select the woman that I would if I were Madeline, and the answer was a no-brainer, namely Gigi from Domai, shown below.

Gigi from Domai

Gigi from Domai

Gigi from Domai

Gigi from Domai

Comments

That's not why they aren't models (boring). They look like women. If they can't pass for 14 year old boys, they can't be models. Clearly what you see as not 'average and boring' are girls that look like boys.

No heterosexual man prefers boyish girls over feminine girls.

I agree with all Eric is trying to prove..
I tell you why because the self/body overly conscious media has made a 13 year old kid today is totally unjust, forgetting the real values of life our teens are wasting their energies... Every person has its own ***worth*** (like there is no one else) and comparing or judging on that, whether its facial/bodily beauty, intelligence, health, finances, family backgrounds, ethnicity etc is causing distress and wrong expectations in the hearts of innocent people.. to every man there is woman and to every woman there is a man who can fulfill his/her desires. It is only untrue if we are too much stuck into media/false glamour/attraction values causing an adverse effect where by every man starts seeking for a barbie doll or every woman wants a superman .. LOL i cant find better words.
Now say we regret why our planet is so small and vulnerable in this universe? why my car/house is smaller than yours? why my father left so and so not that much as compared to your father setting up for you a new business altogether? Universe is all about diversity, where there is even a rule of big fish eats smaller and dies later of food poisoning :) (big fish also meets its fate one day). SO! like wise.. if you start comparing which females looks better and why you will definitely see the differences there.. hell yes I say Adriana has a specialty face...good for her and type of business she is into, but I will want my choice of partner to be something different, it might be closer to what Eric has depicted as more feminine etc well..
So please stop comparing yourselves as believe me there is no one like you, you are unique and one of your kind, equally important as Adriana or any one else. :) but if you start comparing in that dumb way then all those differences might not provide you anything useful and also waste a lot of your valuable time (which you can spend to cherish your most beautiful in the world partner) and stop looking at those distractions in magazines and all.. they are unreal and make your life hard.. a burden without any cause...

You know Erik, even though I am a feminist to my core, I am also a biologist and an anthropologist student. You have done an excellent job of explaining why very young, mostly northern european, big-breasted, small-waisted, large-buttocked, round-faced women are the most feminine. They have all the features that are anthropologically/biologically more feminine because they have higher levels of the hormone estrogen. The more masculine a woman appears, the more testosterone (for a woman) she has. These women tend to have smaller breasts, more muscle definition, square jaw lines, and....powerful demeanors.

I wanted to address your hypothesis that if masculinity versus femininity in women (and men) had more outlet in our very politically-correct society to be discussed, feminine women would be more concentrated in high-fashion. You are wrong.

One of the effects of high levels of estrogen in women and high levels of testosterone in men, compared to averages for each sex, is a lack of high intelligence (google studies done). These people are more "animal"; they are more visceral and less cerebral; they are more likely to be more attractive to the opposite sex (because they ARE more fertile in terms of their hormonal make-up). High levels of estrogen in women subverts higher intelligence so these women are more primed for reproduction (because proliferated reproduction needs less thinking and less intelligence, both of which hinder mindless reproduction). These very feminine women tend to be more marriage/baby oriented, less career-oriented, less powerful. Both men and women respect their opinions less (google studies done) and these women do not flourish in high-profile careers. Being an international model is one of these careers. A screeching porn-star type will NEVER be an Alessandra Ambrosio or Heidi Klum or Cindy Crawford because she lacks the testosterone-induced drive needed to establish herself at that level. She is not seen as powerful, commanding, able because she is not. THIS is one of the primary reasons why highly successful women in almost any career are typically more masculine than the porn-stars men desire at the visceral level. In fact, the most prominent porn-stars too are more masculine - they have the testosterone induced competitive/aggressive drive to climb to the very top. THIS is why highly-feminine women are not prominent in what humans have rightfully deemed powerful careers. The big-breasted blonde woman you posted does not look powerful; she looks child-like, vulnerable, and......stupid. She inspires contempt in people. Ambrosio looks posh, fierce, and capable. She inspires respect.

As to why men are also attracted to these masculine women anyway? Firstly, these women are less fertile not infertile, and therefore evolution hasn’t taken men’s attraction to them completely away. Secondly, and more importantly, it is because attraction in western society is conditioned to be towards the whole person. High-femininity inspires horniness in men. High-masculinity inspires admiration (similar to how we respect male CEOs of big companies), and western society has made these feelings of respect/admiration/equality tantamount to attraction. And I say: good for society! Masculine women tend to be higher-IQ than extremely-feminine women and produce high-IQ children. Attraction in the west is finally more cerebral and less visceral. We are more “human” and less “animal” if you must. The more sexist a society (most of the third-world), the less masculine women are prized, the dumber and less advanced their societies tend to be.

Very interesting observation. I never thought of it quite that way; hormonal makeup, success, respect, estrogen, testosterone and beauty. Of course, everyone is unique and their ambitions and opportunities vary. Something to think about now when observing.

MimiCita: You said that high levels of estrogen in women and high levels of testosterone in men are associated with lower intelligence. Whereas I have not been in touch with the literature on sex hormones and cognition in recent years, I doubt it is this simplistic.

Based on my readings, now presumably outdated, sex hormones may enhance or diminish certain mental abilities, but they will do so to a small degree only. In some cases the relationship is curvilinear. A specific mental ability may increase with higher levels of testosterone in men, but diminish after a point, but at the same time, the highest expression of this mental ability will be seen in men with signs of exposure to high levels of testosterone at crucial developmental stages, suggesting that the specific mental ability is enhanced by testosterone provided the men can handle it; only a minority of men will develop without disturbances under high testosterone levels.

Whereas it is correct that more feminine women will be less oriented toward careers requiring an aggressive drive, fashion modeling is about posing and walking on stage, which femininity does not disfavor, and high intelligence is not a requirement. Even if the modeling gig extends to talking and asserting, top modeling agencies have the resources to find more feminine looking models that can talk well and assert themselves, and they can find sexy women, less feminine than the most beautiful ones, but still with strong appeal to heterosexual men, for jobs where sexiness is relevant, such as lingerie modeling. The big-breasted woman posted in the article, on whom you have commented, is partly in jest, not a serious argument, which may be evident if you read the text immediately preceding the pictures.

I agree that “screeching porn-star” types are not expected to be numerous among fashion models, but these women tend to be less attractive compared to what top modeling agencies could recruit for more respectable work, and often less feminine than average, which you have acknowledged. You may be interested in a more nuanced discussion of the physical appearance of porn stars:
http://www.femininebeauty.info/adult-actresses
http://www.femininebeauty.info/adult-actresses-2

According to you, “High-femininity inspires horniness in men. High-masculinity inspires admiration.” As far as I know, horniness in men is best stimulated by slightly masculinized women as they give the impression, which happens to be correct, that they are easier to engage in casual sex [no long-term commitment insisted upon].

You also said that “The more sexist a society (most of the third-world), the less masculine women are prized, the dumber and less advanced their societies tend to be.” There are thousands of cultures, and there may be some who are more gender egalitarian but also less technologically developed even if overall less technologically developed societies tend to be less respectful of women’s rights.

On the extent to which masculinized women may be prized, in Northern European cultures, which are among the most gender egalitarian, women can pursue more stereotypically male-oriented professions and activities with few people coming in the way or concerned about sex role reversal, but at the same time, I am not aware of any evidence that this translates to better aesthetic appreciation of non-feminine looks in women. So I think you are pursuing the wrong angle in understanding the physical appearance of high-fashion models. It is a simpler case of top-ranked fashion designers being able to get away with their preferences that the majority does not share.

Before reading your site, I thought all you need to have an attractive face is beautiful eyes, big lips, no dark circles under the eyes, and very little facial fat. Nothing else! I honestly never cared about bones and skulls. If you want to be even more accurate in your comparisons, maybe you should also blur out the eyes and lips, like you blur out nipples. Maybe then people will focus on what you really want them to compare.

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