link | Submitted by Erik on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 13:41.
Whipped honey: Of course some correlates of beauty will be associated with the upper SES groups, but your example of tanning has already been addressed within this site and is tangential to the discussion. It is not true that “in all times and places throughout human history, beauty has been defined in part as the physical signs of higher socioeconomic status (SES).” In Rome, the influx of Northern European slaves made the men flip for the light-haired, fair, fine-skinned and fine-featured Germanic women, and lots of native women ended up jealous, prompting a number of them to artificially lighten their hair and skin.
How can you conclude that Gabrielle’s breasts are fake? I don’t like fake breasts, and generally avoid putting women with implants in the attractive women section. I have three photosets of her and it is not clear whether she has breast implants; I don’t think she has them. I am waiting to come across additional photosets to hopefully clear this issue. Don’t tell me that your conclusion is based on the large size. There are non-obese women with naturally even larger breasts.
You can look up more pictures of her if you wish. I believe her real name is Karin S. The S may be Sýkorová or Spolnikova. She is also sometimes referred to as Alicja Passtel or Ala Passtel. See some pictures of Gabrielle/Karin S. from a mainstream setting; there is absolutely nothing whatsoever that is lower class about her face/body.
The explanation of a high frequency of breast implants among porn stars is simple. Non-overweight masculinized women are bound to disproportionately have small breasts, porn stars tend to be masculinized women, and they need to look more feminine for the male viewership. Naturally, upper class women will be less inclined to be porn stars, but class is not an issue behind the high frequency of breast implants among porn stars.
I have not implied that thinness automatically makes it impossible for a woman to look lower class. I have been talking about probabilistic social class. Multiple considerations suggest that the feminine beauties I have been showing will predominantly come from middle class and higher backgrounds.
Do I need to cite proof that feminine beauties are disproportionately taken up by richer men? Visit some upscale clubs/restaurants and observe for yourself. Granted that not all rich men have hot wives, but in individual cases, there could be a number of reasons why: the man may not be a lifetime-exclusive heterosexual, the man wasn’t rich/famous before he met his wife, the man fell in love with his wife for reasons such as personality/compatibility (looks are not the basis for a long-term-stable relationship), or a super-rich man is wise enough to avoid the good looking gold diggers and go for a woman that is genuinely interested in him. To elaborate on the last point, if you are a famous multi-millionaire/billionaire, you could potentially get a huge number of drop-dead gorgeous women to marry you, but they would typically be after your money and a divorce will be expensive. So what is the wise thing to do? Get a decent woman who is genuinely interested in you; if needed, plenty of bombshells can be had on the side. To explain further, there are some decent women, some women who are genuinely interested in you, and a few very attractive woman, i.e., the probability of finding a long-term-stable female partner who satisfies all three conditions is low, and hence you will not see very attractive women with some very rich men – simple Bayesian logic (which a wise rich man would know) rather than a number of lifetime-exclusive heterosexual rich men disagreeing with “my idea” of feminine beauty.
What kind of people I would cast in a mainstream movie is relevant. You mentioned John Waters in the context of making selections similar to mine. But I wouldn’t make his selections. An ex-porn star will generally not be suitable for a mainstream movie, and I didn’t say Traci Lords isn’t feminine. I addressed whether Joey Heatherton and Amy Locane are feminine, not whether they are attractive. Of course most men will find these women attractive; I myself have called some somewhat masculinized women attractive, but these are not examples of feminine beauties.
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Whipped honey: Of course some correlates of beauty will be associated with the upper SES groups, but your example of tanning has already been addressed within this site and is tangential to the discussion. It is not true that “in all times and places throughout human history, beauty has been defined in part as the physical signs of higher socioeconomic status (SES).” In Rome, the influx of Northern European slaves made the men flip for the light-haired, fair, fine-skinned and fine-featured Germanic women, and lots of native women ended up jealous, prompting a number of them to artificially lighten their hair and skin.
How can you conclude that Gabrielle’s breasts are fake? I don’t like fake breasts, and generally avoid putting women with implants in the attractive women section. I have three photosets of her and it is not clear whether she has breast implants; I don’t think she has them. I am waiting to come across additional photosets to hopefully clear this issue. Don’t tell me that your conclusion is based on the large size. There are non-obese women with naturally even larger breasts.
You can look up more pictures of her if you wish. I believe her real name is Karin S. The S may be Sýkorová or Spolnikova. She is also sometimes referred to as Alicja Passtel or Ala Passtel. See some pictures of Gabrielle/Karin S. from a mainstream setting; there is absolutely nothing whatsoever that is lower class about her face/body.
The explanation of a high frequency of breast implants among porn stars is simple. Non-overweight masculinized women are bound to disproportionately have small breasts, porn stars tend to be masculinized women, and they need to look more feminine for the male viewership. Naturally, upper class women will be less inclined to be porn stars, but class is not an issue behind the high frequency of breast implants among porn stars.
I have not implied that thinness automatically makes it impossible for a woman to look lower class. I have been talking about probabilistic social class. Multiple considerations suggest that the feminine beauties I have been showing will predominantly come from middle class and higher backgrounds.
Do I need to cite proof that feminine beauties are disproportionately taken up by richer men? Visit some upscale clubs/restaurants and observe for yourself. Granted that not all rich men have hot wives, but in individual cases, there could be a number of reasons why: the man may not be a lifetime-exclusive heterosexual, the man wasn’t rich/famous before he met his wife, the man fell in love with his wife for reasons such as personality/compatibility (looks are not the basis for a long-term-stable relationship), or a super-rich man is wise enough to avoid the good looking gold diggers and go for a woman that is genuinely interested in him. To elaborate on the last point, if you are a famous multi-millionaire/billionaire, you could potentially get a huge number of drop-dead gorgeous women to marry you, but they would typically be after your money and a divorce will be expensive. So what is the wise thing to do? Get a decent woman who is genuinely interested in you; if needed, plenty of bombshells can be had on the side. To explain further, there are some decent women, some women who are genuinely interested in you, and a few very attractive woman, i.e., the probability of finding a long-term-stable female partner who satisfies all three conditions is low, and hence you will not see very attractive women with some very rich men – simple Bayesian logic (which a wise rich man would know) rather than a number of lifetime-exclusive heterosexual rich men disagreeing with “my idea” of feminine beauty.
What kind of people I would cast in a mainstream movie is relevant. You mentioned John Waters in the context of making selections similar to mine. But I wouldn’t make his selections. An ex-porn star will generally not be suitable for a mainstream movie, and I didn’t say Traci Lords isn’t feminine. I addressed whether Joey Heatherton and Amy Locane are feminine, not whether they are attractive. Of course most men will find these women attractive; I myself have called some somewhat masculinized women attractive, but these are not examples of feminine beauties.