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Whipped Honey said: My point: Erik, you have NOT proved that nonwhite people’s cosmetic surgery procedures IN GENERAL create results outside the norm for their racial/ethnic groups.
I agree with you that many of these nonwhite surgical procedures are still within the normal range of features for their groups. Yet there seems to be a pattern of those alterations tending in the direction of what Erik calls "derived" features, and away from certain ethnic features, even if still inside the normal range for that ethnicity. Plastic surgery among whites does not exhibit this same tendency.
Erik said: The simple fact is that European facial norms are overall the most derived among human populations (Fig. 4), and people generally tend to prefer overall facial features among their co-ethnics that are somewhat more derived compared to average and especially ancestral features.
I can guess what you mean by "derived," but perhaps you could explain its meaning more explicitly? Also, what would be an explanation for why Europeans have more derived facial features?
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Whipped Honey said:
My point: Erik, you have NOT proved that nonwhite people’s cosmetic surgery procedures IN GENERAL create results outside the norm for their racial/ethnic groups.
I agree with you that many of these nonwhite surgical procedures are still within the normal range of features for their groups. Yet there seems to be a pattern of those alterations tending in the direction of what Erik calls "derived" features, and away from certain ethnic features, even if still inside the normal range for that ethnicity. Plastic surgery among whites does not exhibit this same tendency.
Erik said:
The simple fact is that European facial norms are overall the most derived among human populations (Fig. 4), and people generally tend to prefer overall facial features among their co-ethnics that are somewhat more derived compared to average and especially ancestral features.
I can guess what you mean by "derived," but perhaps you could explain its meaning more explicitly? Also, what would be an explanation for why Europeans have more derived facial features?