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Sat, 08/18/2012 - 20:58 ? The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 2

A woman doesn't need to have exaggerated curves and big breasts to look like a woman. The "long, lean women" can look like Rose Byrne or Michaela from or Anna S. from Hegre Art. or Maria Sheriff.

Anyway, I think feminine women actually make the clothes look better, and this is important in terms of marketing. Who makes a one-shoulder evening gown look better?
Elle McPherson?

Or Talulah Riley?

How about a strapless gown?
From the perspective of a buyer, if I saw a gown I liked and it was modeled by Elle, I would suspect (rightfully in the case of some designers), that the dress in my size would be too tight at the hips, and if I was to get it in a larger size to make up for that, it would be too big at the chest.

Sexy, somewhat masculinized Angelina Jolie makes a black sheath look better than Amazonian Elle even though her waist-hip ratio appears higher. Part of the reason is because the massive shoulders aren't there to detract attention.


The idea of a clothes hanger is a silly excuse anyway. I can't believe anyone buys it. If models are such a distraction, might as well use a conveyor belt to roll the clothes down the catwalk on a wire form. Some sites use an "invisible mannequin" to showcase clothes (, but this is unpopular simply because a major purpose of a live model is to help buyers see how the clothes look on actual women, especially when it comes to sleeve and skirt lengths. How is the average woman helped in better visualizing how the clothes would look on herself if the model wearing them has atypical male-type proportions? I can't say how many perfectly good pairs of pants I passed over in a catalog simply because the the model's narrow hips and broad waistline made them look so boxy and unflattering - only to find when I tried them on in the store that they looked pretty good after all. So if anything, the use of manly models may possibly be hurting mail order sales.

Sometimes the designers do base the fit of their clothes on their manly models, in which case I find that I need to get a size or two up in pants because they are too tight at the hips - only to find that the waistband area gaps terribly at the back because they were made to fit a woman with a proportionally thick waist and flat buttocks. It's as though these pants were created for men, not women.

As for the model, you're going to notice her anyway. That is unavoidable, and not a bad thing. Women, even straight women, like looking at attractive women. If a model is attractive enough, her glamor and ensuing fame can make the fashion line she represents even more appealing to the masses. Why do you think famous perfume and makeup lines use attractive, famous actresses and singers in their advertisements? Because the added glamor and connection with a famous beauty or talented artist makes their products seem even more desirable. There are celebrity blogs that describe in great detail each item of clothes the latest celeb was wearing, down to designer labels. Guess what, women read this, and the fans of a particular star run out and buy whatever the star was wearing (if they can afford it) because it helps them feel more glamorous and makes them feel "connected" to their favorite celebrity. People like to imitate those they idolize.

From what I've seen of female fashion models nowadays, most can pass for twinks.
A cross-dressing twink:

Below, just a couple of high fashion female models. Second one is from a stock photo sight, so I don't know if she's a real fashion model, but she is presented as such.,-make-up,-black-lips-image18290325

At this point, might as well put Frank-n-Furter up on the runway.

It's distracting alright. Add to that the often absurd makeup and the "sexy" prancing lope they do that is worthy of the Ministry of Silly Walks, and no one can claim that the models are supposed to be beneath the audience's notice.

Another hit against the clothes hanger excuse is that most female mannequins are designed with prominent breasts - even the more masculine-looking ones used often in sports and athletic stores. Often mannequins will have very pinched waists, so much so that if you look at the back of a mannequin in a store, you'll see that the employees had to gather in and secure the blouse or dress with a clothes pin. Why? Because the most suitable figure to show off women's apparel (and make them look extra-good) is a woman's figure.

Trends started by attractive, feminine to slightly masculinized (but never manly) women continue on to this day (think Audrey Hepburn's little black dress, Marilyn Monroe's much imitated platinum bob, Bridget Bardot's blond pompadour and cat eyeliner), but I doubt anybody's going to remember what Heidi Klum or Rebecca Romijn likes to wear.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 17:51 Erik The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 2

“The rationale for selecting long, lean women” offered by the fashion industry shows up again. But this rationale fails to explain some other phenomena. An example is seen in the long, lean look of Katie Cassidy; see additional examples of her thin and non-curvaceous body; but the big fashion designers are not too keen on using women having the appearance of Katie Cassidy because her face is not masculine enough for them or too far removed from an adolescent male look, and they are not keen on using tall, slender women with feminine skeletal proportions.

There is the penchant the dominant designers have for using girls in their mid-teens to display clothes to adult women [lots of girls in their early teens would be doing fashion modeling if there were not some public relations issues to deal with]. There are other things about industry practices discussed within this site. You can explain each practice somehow, but the central tendency of the preferences of homosexual fashion designers is a simple explanation that simultaneously accounts for many of these practices and is more likely correct than invoking multiple factors to explain different observations.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 16:37 Erik Allegations of rigging in the Miss USA pageant

nicegirl: I agree with your assessment of Sheena Monin. Going by conventional preferences, a large proportion of mainstream high-profile beauty pageant contestants should not be participating.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 16:27 Erik Teresa Palmer

nicegirl: The pictures of the woman at the bottom, called Juliette, appear to be low resolution pictures of Maria Sheriff: [she looked better as a young adult, but I cannot find clear pictures of her face as a young adult]

The Juliette pictures should be removed though for presenting the same woman as two different ones.

Megan Fox is indeed what one would call a sexy woman, but depending on the picture, her face looks anywhere from decent to not so decent, as in some of the links left by ?. Such people I usually tend to avoid as illustrative examples of some sort of attractiveness. This site has some comparisons of Megan Fox before and after her face surgeries, and in my estimation the original one looked overall better. Since you mentioned Transformers, I find her to have been a much better choice, even after the surgeries, than Rosie Huntington-Whiteley in Transformers 3. Rosie Huntington-Whiteley was captured in this candid picture in a Louis Vuitton collage, and it should be clear who would want to use her as a high-profile lingerie model.

The other things in your comments I will have to get to later, for lack of time.

?: You could say I am biased toward faces, but this is likely common. Teresa Palmer is a better example of an attractive not-so-feminine woman than some other women are examples of feminine ones, such as the woman you mentioned, Zuzana Drabinova, and others like her with exaggerated secondary sexual characteristics, such as Leanna Decker (another of Leanna’s).

L: Teresa was added to a page that says not-so-feminine women. She does not have to have a tiny waist and small rib cage.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 14:16 nicegirl Teresa Palmer

While i still have some time on my hand and before i step out i have say,The blond at the very bottom of that page is AWFUL!I am talking about Juliette from Karupspc NOT Jenni from Femjoy.Jenni from Femjoy is very beautiful!I can see what makes Juliette from Karupspc feminine and can understand why Erik used her for a while,but is so time for her to go.There are a few more that i can think of,but for the most part the attractive women section is looking so much better.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 13:43 nicegirl Allegations of rigging in the Miss USA pageant

What would your take on Sheena Monnin's femininity be Erik?I would say she does not have a very high level of femininity,but is feminine enough that she would still be good looking to most people.But i don't know if she is beauty pageant material.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 11:45 nicegirl Teresa Palmer

I think what i am trying to say is that i know Megan Fox is not as feminine as say Lisa Welch or Veronika Zimanova or Anna.s(who are very feminine and beautiful ).Megan Fox,from what i can see,is what Eriks site would call a sexy women.She has masculine features,as i have listed them,but enough very feminine features that she is very attractive!That is why i think she should go in the not so feminine section.I can also see why the women above is not so feminine(Teresa Palmer).I know a lot of men who's wives and girlfriends look a LOT like many of the women in the attractive section,and who don't like the looks of VS models when and if they see them.THEY STILL LOVE MEGAN FOX!!!

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 10:12 nicegirl Teresa Palmer

According to your site Erik,Megen Fox does not have a masculine face.The same goes true for many many men who actually know who she is! Most men don't even know who models are.Its so funny they know Megan Fox,but if i ask them about a model they really don't have a clue about who i am talking about! That even goes for the really popular ones like Adriana lima.Maybe i am reading your site wrong,i don't think so,but if so you should correct me.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 01:22 Visitor The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 2

LOL, well ? you might have a point, but having worked in the fashion industry, I can tell you that is the rationale for selecting long, lean women. With busty and curvy women everyone is staring at their bodies and the clothing is secondary. I don't argue that a transsexual in a lacy runway dress would be distracting, but not all models resemble that extreme. Gisele and her like tend to represent the far end of the spectrum.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 00:56 ? Teresa Palmer

The "awful blond" looks better than Megan Fox.

If Erik put a woman with such a robust and manly face in his gallery, I would start taking this site less seriously. I wouldn't be the only one either.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 00:34 ? Pamela Anderson: an example of fake femininity

And this ties back to what I was saying on Teresa Palmer's page; people seem to value how the face looks more than the body.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 00:32 ? Pamela Anderson: an example of fake femininity

Pamela Anderson's body was never as good as Sheila's, but her face was better as a young woman.

Sat, 08/18/2012 - 00:29 ? Pamela Anderson: an example of fake femininity

She looks bad now regardless of how she poses, but she looked good as a young woman; at least her face did. In fact she used to have a really cute face.

Before and after the breast implants:

A combination of age, excessively large breast implants, slutty makeup, and general vulgarity is what is making her look so bad now.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 18:12 Designer jeans guru Leg-length to height ratio and attractiveness

As someone who has sold pre-owned jeans online for several years--I can attest to the fact that men's inseam/height ratios are almost always smaller than women's (unless you're talking about those of African descent--a separate study showed that most people of African descent are more short-waisted, and longer-legged, than those of other ethnicities, and I've definitely found this to be true among my black friends and jeans buyers). For a woman, I have an extremely small leg-length/height ratio (possibly caused by inborn hormonal issues that fused my thigh bones too early) and, though my significant other is about 4 inches taller, we have the same inseam (I'd know, since I buy all his jeans!) Yet, he doesn't look disproportionate at all, and I've found that men's jeans with short inseams sell much more readily than women's jeans with short inseams. In fact, it's so hard to sell short inseam women's jeans (except to Asian girls, whose predominant figure type includes a long, lean torso with short, stocky legs) that I pretty much refuse to buy for resale any women's pair whose inseam number is smaller than the size on the tag. (for example, size 32 with a 30" inseam...but when I get men's jeans in a 32 with a 30" inseam they usually sell very quickly) My hypothesis for this difference is that, perhaps in caveman times, it'd be less essential for men to have long runners' legs (except in subsaharan Africa, where you might have to run away from a lion/tiger/cheetah and having long legs helps), because men would simply fight the threat head-on, while comparatively weaker women would fare better by simply running away, because most women aren't strong enough to take on a large animal. That said, the women's ideal doesn't really match up with the most common real-world body types...the "Asian girl" type several people have already mentioned is also super common in eastern Europe and other northern areas (perhaps the short legs are an adaptation to help prevent frostbite in cold areas, since short legs = less distance the blood has to travel from the heart, and less opportunity for the blood to lose heat?)

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 15:43 ? The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 2

The idea that feminine and normal-looking women will detract attention from the clothes is patent nonsense. Nothing will distract a viewer from the clothes quite like seeing a person that may or may not be a woman sashaying down the runway in a lacy dress.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 12:40 Visitor The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 2

One other thing . . . in the interest of fairness, some of the critics of the feminine young ladies above may be reacting to the fact that these women are usually posed with natural lighting, natural postures, and unretouched. They may not seem as glamourous as the photos of high fashion models, but they do offer a realistic perspective of appearance: this is how the average woman really looks (feminine but not perfect). In contrast, Gisele's photos have often been carefully posed and professionally lit and retouched, and she still presents as very masculine. The candid photos of Gisele are horrifying and project an image which is in no way representative of the average woman. The fashion industry has for a long time been out of step with the sizes and needs of the average customer--one hardly needs a website like this to point that out--and models like Gisele are selected because they are NOT average.

Also--to respond the Erik's frequently articulated assertion that models like Gisele are selected to fit the agendas of gay male designers who 'dominate' the fashion industry--there are many leading female designers as well. And the models that they use have the same body type. While not discounting the truth that many gay male designers prefer an androgynous look to their models, and that is an undoubted influence in the fashion indutry, the fact also remains that a tall, lean appearance draws attention to the clothes, as intended, and not to the model. Fashion models are expected to project a 'larger than life' appearance when they walk the runways or pose for photo shoots; this is easier to accomplish for women who are very tall and strong-featured compared to shorter women with softer features. Lingerie modeling demands a more feminine appearance in its models because the emphasis is on the woman herself--clothes are just a prop here, not a main act.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 05:02 Fran Teresa Palmer


Fri, 08/17/2012 - 04:56 Fran Teresa Palmer

You have to add these beautiful girls:


Fri, 08/17/2012 - 00:46 L Teresa Palmer

Really? Teresa Palmer? Her face is pretty alright, but her body is really not feminine to me. What happened to your love of small ribcages and low WHRs? Teresa is so wide! She looks so rectangular. Or is she added just because of her face? Please say how she is feminine. I am so confused by her addition.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 00:23 nicegirl Teresa Palmer

I also don't understand why you don't put pictures of megan fox up in your not so feminine section.I know you say that she has had surgery,but it was just her nose and she did not even need it.She is very good looking and you could put up old pictures of her before she got the work done.Her lips only look bigger because she uses that lip gloss that makes them swell up.Use pictures of her from the first Transformers.I believe her not so feminine features are this,Broad shoulders,square chin,slightly flatter butt,and something in the notch above her nose.There is also something going on with her throat and thumbs,but i don't know if that has anything to with how feminine she is.Have you even looked at the other women i have sent you?Are none of them feminine enough?Lol,sorry for all the questions/demands,but you did put this site up,what did you think would happen.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 17:15 ? Teresa Palmer

It looks to me that attractiveness of the face generally takes precedence over the body. Raylene Richards/Zuzana Drabinova has a stellar, out of this world body, but her face is meh, so a woman like Teresa Palmer, who has a great face but meh body is more likely to be featured here.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 17:03 ? Teresa Palmer

Who did she replace?

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:40 nicegirl Teresa Palmer

I really like her,nice job,keep the classy looking ones coming please!But,she really needed to replace the awful blond at the very bottom of the page you put her on.That women is one of the ones thats is REALLY hurting your site!

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 18:03 Johnson Leg-length to height ratio and attractiveness

WTF. Those images are pretty bad because the private parts get smaller as the legs get shorter and the arms get shorter as the legs get longer. Plus the legs are wider in the short legs examples. Maybe use some proportionate examples for each leg length group and your results will change.
BTW you're wrong. Men have longer legs proportionally compared to women. Generally speaking.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 17:28 Emily Part of a revamp of the attractive women section

Oh dear, so many replies to my posts all over this site. lol It would take me forever to reply to them all. Well, what can I say, I definitely touched a nerve, I think.

The debate over who is more or less attractive is no longer of any interest to me. The only thing that matters to me is to keep the Nordic race untainted as much as possible. This race has the same right to a continued existence as any other, but is the most likely to disappear due to its recessive nature.

Erik, I removed all the links to pictures that I posted here (you probably cried with relief when you saw it) as I don't want to promote Scandinavian beauty to an international audience, which will only make men who are racial aliens more interested. I found what I was doing to be contra-productive to what I was trying to achieve.

Regarding Asian women, they are generally speaking physically less appealing to our men than Scandinavian women, as it should be. It is more often than not men with more or less severe personal problems who turn to them as an alternative.

Since the reason why Scandinavian men import Asians is mainly due to psychological and social problems rather than physical preference, the physical comparisons between the races is also unnecessary.

I truly admire your good work here, Erik, and your patience. It can't be easy to have to face indoctrinated people all the time, who themselves are victims of political correctness and cultural Marxism.

Remember people, we are one species but many races. ;) Let it stay that way.