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Fri, 02/17/2012 - 21:40 nicegirl Slender feminine women

Thanks so much.I think i am getting this slow but sure.Please answer my other questons as soon as you can.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 09:42 Visitor Why are Victoria’s Secret models so popular?

Holy shit I was totally thinking the exact same thing. The author of this site's got some major-league issues with models or maybe with women in general. Good luck to you, honey.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 04:49 star Maria Sheriff

Ermmmm.... most attractive pple display middle eastern features... ever heard of dark tall and handsome? ... pale skinny flat and whimpy? ....

another nice tip ... the so called attractive models you like or love whatever... try googling where originally from... ...

Oh ... u call small nose non middle eastern feauture? Well guesss what? Most non middle eastern girls and boys visit the plastic surgeons for a middle eastern look... the arabian eyes .. lips ... curves... hips... and oh one more thing ... to have a nose job!

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 04:30 JC Maria Sheriff

I've run into the error of not including my name on the comment posting again, I apologize. The last comment was posted by myself.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 04:21 Visitor Maria Sheriff

Apollyon: In response to your comment, I agree that there are attractive women in every ethnic group across the board. However, having smaller facial features ie. a smaller nose, does not necessarily mean an individual from the Middle East has European ancestry.

The woman on the left is Ashley Benson and the woman on the right is Myriam Fares.

The woman on the left is Sharon Stone and the woman on the right is Leila Forouhar.

Both the Middle Eastern women and Nordic women depicted are attractive despite their lack of femininity in some cases. Neither one of the Middle Eastern women depicted share the same facial features as the Nordic women nor look as if they share European ancestry.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 23:59 Apollyon Maria Sheriff

Some Middle Eastern women can be quite attractive...but I guarantee you the ones that are considered the most beautiful will have less overt 'Middle Eastern' features...i.e. smaller noses, etc. They will appear half-European (and there likely will be European DNA in them).

Try it. Post photos of Middle Eastern women that you consider beautiful. Post 'average' Middle Eastern women from the same region. You will note the obvious differences.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 23:28 Apollyon Anorexia statistics: Naomi Wolf’s Overdo and Lie Factor (WOLF)

Obviously you are gay.

Note: nowhere is it stated on this site that 'the gay must die'. Typical strawman.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:43 pickpimple Anorexia statistics: Naomi Wolf’s Overdo and Lie Factor (WOLF)

Basicly to all the tranies shown on this site i would love to stick in. Therefore Clearly I must be gay and of course the gay must die. Truthfully if you actualy are a good and proper heterall male you should be premoting gaydom, it would make it so easy to get layed. But perhaps smart and heteral can not go togeter.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 04:05 Visitor The aesthetics of the eyebrows

To "?". First of all i only read this post about aesthetics of eyebrows, so the comments i've chosen are from this post. And second, i don't agree with discriminating people by their ethnicity, skin colour, shapes, or anything like that. The diversity of people around the world is what makes it interesting. I chose those comments and said were racists because they talk directly about superior race and racial purity, they compare black and latin people to animals, they say mixed ethnicity is equal to degradation. None of the comments you've chosen talk in those terms. The therminology used in the comments i pasted carried to horrible things all around the world and in different historical moments. Reading people like Emily or you is like going back to the XIX century and the racist theorists.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:41 Lola Amanda Platell on fashion’s ultimate insult to women by using a man to model clothes for women

btw several of the females you have in the "attractive women" list, I don't find attractive at all

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 02:18 studied Designer Amanda Platell on fashion’s ultimate insult to women by using a man to model clothes for women

It's just a phase, a lot of amateurs are in the business right now and they focus on a) the "shock" factor and b) generic attractivity. As a studied designer, I don't even take this whole thing seriously.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 16:33 alexx Homosexual designers’ influence now more obvious in the selection of male models

Whoever wrote this article is a COMPLETE IDIOT.

Sun, 02/12/2012 - 09:29 CLaudia Amanda Platell on fashion’s ultimate insult to women by using a man to model clothes for women

I dont think mentally healthy women consider high fashion models attractive or want to look like them.
We are so used to their strange looks that we basically ignore them completely and just focus on the clothes/accessories,at least thats how most of the women I know feel.
Young impressionable girls might try to look like them ,but it's the parent who should tell them that their looks are abnormal and unacceptable by most people and therefore trying to emulate them is wrong.
I think most gay men don't like the female body for whatever reason it is... Envy maybe? I have heard lots of gay men saying women with feminine desirable bodies are fat cows or have a fat ass.
Im a mentally stable woman in my 30s and Im not affected at all by this since I have no interest in pleasing gay men by any means since I don't have to,and before someone labels me as homophobe...I have gay friends and work with homosexual men ,but I just basically ignore them when they think women are "fierce" when they are size 0 and basically look 12year old gay boys stealing their moms clothes ( I know most of them did).

Sun, 02/12/2012 - 00:55 star Maria Sheriff

Middle eastern women are much more attractive. Tan + curves + culture ... middle eastern will kick your assss lol. How many so called white women are even tanned? Oops erm
my questioned should've beeeeeen.. how many are not using fake tan? Cosmetic procedures? Ermmm so lets not go googling noww :p cut and paste as much as you like ... but whyput your problems onto others? You obviously love racism. Who cares about your
ugly blue eyes and washed out light hair.

If you love Torri spelling look thats not our problem

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:34 Erik Slender feminine women

Nicegirl: The short, brown-haired woman is best regarded as having average femininity overall. A close-up of her face does not look so feminine. She has implants and is presumably naturally with much smaller breasts, but her waist-hip-backside-upper thigh region looks feminine. So just classify her as having around average femininity.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:53 nicegirl Slender feminine women

Erik could you please tell us how feminine the short brown haired girl is?I think she is feminine but i just cant say for sure is all.By the way i have been looking at more of Anna S pic and i think she is wonderfull and should never leave your site.But i have to say she could use a few lbs in her hips.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 22:00 Zaz Feminization and masculinization in the looks of men

What's that bullshit that you've just written? A BIG population with more feminine looking women necessarily has the most feminine women, unless there's a different magnitude of standard deviation in femininity in the two populations which is unlikely. Because outcomes diverge to the values expected by probability laws when sample numbers are big, and in this case we are talking about populations

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:27 Erik Amanda Platell on fashion’s ultimate insult to women by using a man to model clothes for women

Christian J.: Whereas women generally support the fashion industry by buying its products, this is not an endorsement of the greater physical attractiveness of the very thin, boyish-looking teenage girls that the industry prefers as high-fashion models. In this case, a desire to be well-dressed is common and people will buy good attire even if the models are not exactly to their liking because of the absence of alternatives.

This site does not argue that the industry should be run by women. It should be run by those capable of running it. The top fashion-designers are capable of running the industry and they have generally earned their rank or placement. To the extent that their choice of female models causes some problems, this site is an educational tool that counters the negatives without arguing that the designers should be replaced by others or even that the models should be replaced by others (although some people commenting here disagree). In my estimation, the burden of proof should be on the fashion designers to show that the thin models they use are naturally thin and reasonably healthy, and if they meet this burden, then they should be free to use the kind of models they prefer.

On Hefner, it is certainly a matter of curiosity that a pioneering and prominent men’s magazine, Playboy, would be featuring so many non-feminine women, and I needed to address it in light of Hefner’s non-heterosexual orientation as some people may refer to Playboy centerfolds to counter my assertion that most people prefer above-average femininity in the looks of women.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 09:56 Christian J. Amanda Platell on fashion’s ultimate insult to women by using a man to model clothes for women

I am completely astonished by the non-issue being discussed here. The fact that women support the fashion industry en masse, appears to be irrelevant or that gays run the industry is at best some level of evil, is applied. Why ?
Is it because the gays do it better than women or is it solely due to the fact that it's males running an industry that most of you believe should be run solely by women. This entire discussion is just incomprehensible and borders on the ridiculous. The other issue is apparently the fact that Hefner has introduced a masculine style females into those magazines which is really an irrelevancy as well. The information on body type, size etc was interesting to some degree but that is it. Naomi Wolf by the way is just a typical feminist hypocrite who raged against the fashion industry for selling the flesh, so to speak but meanwhile try and find a photo where she does not "flash" herself as well. She has also used the services of the same people she criticises in her book.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 13:29 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 6

Burchill (2000) writing in the
Guardian has observed that “to be a woman today is to be subjected to a barrage of
nagging from cradle to grave, much of it about morals, conduct and health, but mostly on the way one looks…Whereas a woman might once have been disapproved of

merely as sloppy, today her appearance calls into question her sexual orientation,

morals and even sanity”.

Fouts and Burggraf (1999) carried out a content analysis of prime-time
television situation comedies to examine the body weights of the main female
characters. The study also analysed the verbal comments received from other
characters regarding body weight as well as the main characters’ self-comments about
their own body weight, shape and dieting activities. The analysis found that females
who were below average body weight were over-represented receiving more positive
verbal comments regarding body weight and shape from the male characters than the
above average characters. Above average characters were therefore, underrepresented
with dieting characters giving themselves more verbal punishment for
their body weight and shape."

Although the above study is more concerned with the negative role of the media as depicted by TV shows on women's weight/beauty issues, the fact that hollywood itself is very influenced by the fashion industry in this regard - proven by different studies- should not be overlooked.

Source, same as above comment.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 13:18 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 6

"Furthermore, for the media to portray a woman as
‘sexy’ there are certain stereotypical criteria that tend to always have to be met. The woman has to have a thin body with a perfectly flat stomach, show lots of cleavage, and have skin so smooth that it looks more like plastic than flesh (Walsh-Childers
2003: 141-3).

In this sense, it would seem that the media only has one definition of sexy. Yet
it is wrong to say that a woman who does not meet any of these standards cannot be
regarded as sexy." Quote from study.

Source, same as above:

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 13:10 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 6

Quote from the above study on women's shapes and pressure from the media in general to conform to a certain body type, changing over the years, quote:

"There have been numerous transformations in the ideal female body over the
years. During the Renaissance period, the ideal was full and well rounded, and by the Victorian era, the corseted hourglass figure had emerged as the ideal. The rate of change began to increase during the twentieth century starting with the androgynous, flat Twenties Flapper image, a stark contrast to the seductive elegance of the 1930s’
slinky bias-cut look (Ussher 1989: 38 and Macdonald 1995: 197). This too was a
period when the success and popularity of the visual media had also begun to increase and along with it, a sharpened awareness of external appearance and bodily
presentation. The motion picture industry had become one of the foremost creators
and purveyors of images, thus “The Hollywood cinema helped to create new
standards of appearance and bodily presentation, bringing home to a mass audience
the importance of ‘looking good’. Hollywood publicised the new consumer culture
values and projected images of the glamorous celebrity lifestyle to a worldwide
audience” (Featherstone 2001: 179). From the post-war period through to the 1950s,
MA Communications Studies Miriam Rachel Lowe
the ideal body was buxom and curvaceous but by the 1960s, this had changed once
again, this time to a skinny, almost starved appearance (Ussher 1989: 38). It would
seem that this slender ideal body image has continued to dominate ever since
(Macdonald 1995: 197).
Silverstein et al (1986) found evidence of this potted historical analysis of
trends in ideal body image. They conducted a study that involved measuring bust, hip,and waist widths of models appearing in magazines between 1901 and 1981, which
confirmed the above transformations in female ideal body image that have occurred
throughout the twentieth century. In another study conducted by Silverstein et al
(1986) a similar method was utilized to measure the curvaceousness of movie
actresses between 1933 and 1973. As in the previous study, the results showed how
movie actresses had become thinner and less curvy thus indicating that the standard of female bodily attractiveness have become thinner. A study by Garner et al (1980)
found that that the slender ideal of the 1960s that is said to have stayed with us to the present day, has now changed and is even thinner than before. The thin ideal has thus become thinner. Garner et al obtained data from Playboy centrefolds and Miss America Pageant contestants between 1959 and 1978 and the results indicated a
strong evolution in the ideal standard body toward a thinner shape for women.
Interestingly, this thinner ideal has evolved at the same time that Garner et al also found there to be a significant increase in the number of diet articles in women’s magazines over the same period. Singh (1993) however, disputes these findings that the ideal has become thinner and in particular criticizes Garner et al’s study.

Singh also obtained data from Playboy centrefolds and Miss America winners except the results showed only minor changes in slenderness and certainly did not indicate a trend towards a tubular body shape as Garner et al’s results suggested.
Not many would agree with Singh. Bordo for instance certainly believes that the
ideal has continued to grow thinner to the extent that a body we would once consider
slender would now be seen as fleshy. Bordo states: “as our bodily ideals have
become firmer and more contained (we worship not merely slenderness but
flablessness), any softness or bulge comes to be seen as unsightly” (1995: 57).
Guendouzi expresses similar sentiments: “The media currently presents a world view
that implies women should not only be slender but also ‘perfectly-toned’” (2004:
1649). Thus, it would seem that the ideal body image in the twenty first century is one that is toned as well as thin – a requirement that is actually even harder to achieve."


Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:58 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 6


"In realizing the power of the media in its ability to affect and influence people’s
behaviour, attitudes, values, beliefs, and perceptions, if we combine this effect with the impact of celebrities and the result is rather alarming. An interview study with 15-year-old girls conducted by Wertheim et al (1997 cited in Wykes and Gunter 2005:

150) revealed how the print media was a major influence in developing body image
dissatisfaction by making comparisons between themselves and role models. In a
study conducted in America by Garner (1997 cited in Wykes and Gunter 2005: 150)
MA Communications Studies Miriam Rachel Lowe

Both males and females were reported to study the shapes of models in magazines and
to always or very often compare themselves to these models. Grogan (1996 cited in
Grogan 1999: 106) carried out a study on 200 American college students, half female
and half male, aged between 16 and 48. They were each asked who would be their
body image role model. The results showed that for a large percentage of men and
women under the age of forty, media figures comprising fashion models, actors,
actresses and sportspersons, were reported to be their body image role models. The
older the participants were, the more likely it was for a family member to be chosen
as their role model, thus indicating the importance of media role models for younger
men and women.

These studies certainly demonstrate not only the power of the media to
influence body image perceptions but also the impact of media figures and celebrities in influencing these perception.


Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:35 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 6

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:28 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 6

Check it out:

Carrie Otis, model, against pro anorexic websites:

Carré Otis: top model, actress and the epitome of a fascinatingly curvy and radiant beauty. It's no surprise that she was chosen to star in Wild Orchid, which consecrated her as a 1990s icon. She has also signed the petition against the pro-anorexia sites and has taken a very strong position.

"I am worried about these blatantly dangerous websites, and I am happy to add my voice to those speaking out against them. Though I support free speech, there are limits. In no way should sites that direct young people to do life-threatening harm to their bodies be legal. As a mother, a role model, and an author I feel compelled to take a strong stance on health and body image issues. I'm grateful to for taking the same strong position. May we all find the courage to support a healthy, respectful, and sane approach."