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Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:21 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

And Miss England who is a size UK 8, or US 4 was told she's too "large" to model, here's the link for those interested:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-435671/Miss-England-fat-catwalk.html

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:19 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

Model and actress against pro anorexia sites:

"Her looks are deeply embedded in Italian imagery: model and actress Carol Alt is definitely one of the most authoritative voices concerning beauty. Alt too, like many other stars, has signed our petition against pro-anorexia websites and gives us her opinion on the subject." Quote Unquote

"Anorexia takes you about as far from beauty as one can get. It drains your energy, your spirit and ultimately your life. Food is the gas in your car, the oil in your burner, the wind in your sails. Don't trade food to be thin. Thin is not beauty it is unhealthy. Only a healthy body exudes beauty." Quote unquote.

link

http://www.vogue.it/en/people-are-talking-about/last-short-notes/2011/03/carol-alt-petition

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:14 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 6

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-435510/Winslet-blasts-Hollywood-generation-anorexics.html

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:13 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2007/02/12/kate-winslet-speaks-out-against-anorexic-role-models/

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:10 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

http://blog.shoppingdonna.com/2012/01/curvy-models-against-anorexia-plus-model-magazine-campaign/

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:59 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1393482/Italian-Vogue-uses-3-plus-size-models-cover-bid-battle-anorexia.html

Vogue uses three plus-size models for cover in bid to 'battle against anorexia'

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Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:56 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

Another model falling victim to anorexia and dying of it aged 28 only& the pressure the fashion industry puts on them to remain emaciated according to the article, check out the link:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/12/french-model-who-campaigned-against-anorexia-dies-at-age-28/1

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:44 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 6

findarticles.com/p/articles/mi.../is.../ai_20413253/

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:20 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 6

Quote from insider who worked in fashion industry as plus sized model, Eric, who backs up what you say about the fashion industry

"These fashion magazines know EXACTLY what they are doing, too. They get impressionable girls (of a different kind of beauty than the unhuman looking models they use) feeling so out of the loop, they SPEND TONS OF MONEY on makeup and clothes, just so they can look as dreadful and hermaphroditic and these "female" models in magazines. I used to do "large" sized modeling myself (size 12-14) and I know for a fact that some fashion house's requirements for models are so unrealistic that some of the fashion models you see in magazines are actually very pretty, young boys"

Quoted from this site:

http://www.forandagainst.com/Fashion_Magazines_Encourage_Young_Girls_And_Women_To_Have_Negative_Self-image#

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 17:50 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

gulnazahmad.hubpages.com/.../Negative-Aspects-of...

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 17:48 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

Interesting articles on the negative effects of fashion industry and changes in the fashion world for whoever's interested:

www.oppapers.com/.../fashion-has-a-negative-effect

www.forandagainst.com › Beauty & Fashion‏

"Those Photoshopped models are celebs are creating a bad image for todays girls. .... The fashion industry feeds an elitist attitude" quote, unquote.

uk.answers.yahoo.com/.../index?qid...

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Tue, 02/07/2012 - 17:42 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

Re previous comment:

"....and don't result to insults, crude suggestions based on who they perceive the gender of the write to be, often turning out to be wrong): or strawmen or just plain disrespect."

I'm sorry, that shoud read:

" ... and don't RESORT to insults."

And when I mentioned the standards of "feminine beauty" I meant, of course, the standards of feminine beauty as mentioned/ explained scientifically by the author of this site in detail and given proof for etc., not mine- as I'm not at allqualified to decide the scientific view of what's feminine/ masculine, etc. The author is.

Also I hope you come back soon to the site to post more interesting articles, Eric, so that interest in this fascinating site doesn't die out when no new info is posted, unless you're preparing another site as I thought you once mentioned you might. Good luck.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 17:29 L The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

I think YOU are the idiot Jo): More than Anna, all things considered): The remark to Anna was from me, I forgot to write my name, since she chose to be disrespectful; you may disagree with someone's opinion, but you can provide a counter argument- without resorting to name calling, but in your case I'll make an exception, since you jump to BIG assumptions, assuming I was a man coming here to attack people who in your view are pro "thin" and anti "fat". ): Going by your definitions of said words of course):

I'm not angry more amused actually, but I think we could and SHOULD address each other with respect. Just my opinion which I hope you WILL respect): And since I'm a straight female I have no intention of following your other crude suggestion -since none of the girls posted here I would consider except as a sister): And each one is entitled to their opinion, and each one of us needs to respect the opinion of the other without name calling or resorting to crude insults that are uncalled for.

There's nothing to "prove" she's right and that the author's wrong. Some of us see are convinced of his arguments/ theory and some are not; each person is entitled to their opinion. As for your dad he's also entitled to his. This site is NOT an attack on either gay people or the designers; it simply explains why there is a death of feminine beauty in the fashion world nowadays- and the reason for that in a logical scientific manner. Which I assume we are allowed to agree or disagee with , stating our reasons in a respectful and rational or logical manner.

There is also a BIG difference between being "fat" or "overweight" and coming here to attack thin or underweight people for the hell of it which would be foolish and pointless, and between some of us who it may surprise you to know -are FAR from being fat, are healthy slim and fit as opposed to "anorexic thin" and may believe that having a healthy slim figure such as a UK 8 or 10 or 12 or 14 (US 4 or 6 or 8 or 10) as an example or whatever is FAR prefrable to being a UK 4 or US 0 which is unhealthy or underweight and not attainable for many women nor should it be- it can also be medically anorexic. THIS is the look that fashion designers are trying to promote, and Eric has explained the reasons why- in much detail I may add. Whether or not you agree with him is not a valid reason to come here and attack people on the site simply for having an opinion that differs from your own. It's not a fat vs thin or straight vs gay issue. It's simply an insight into the world of fashion and why it operates the way it does. It may offend you and others because it's not politically correct; that doesn't however make it incorrect or untrue.

Even a VERY thin 00 size - who isn't naturally that way but for starvation diets- or masculine in some ways woman IS a woman; some masculinization can make her look more attractive. Nobody said otherwise, certainly not the author himself. However, EXTREME thinness - unless it's natural and healthy NOT forced- with ribs sticking out does not look attractive, nor is it healthy. There is a limit to the extent that thinnes that can be acceptable looking and or attractive/ feminine/ healthy etc.

If a woman is NATURALLY thin that is great and she will look good as it's natural. But many models -according to what's reported directly by them- are MADE, forced to starve diet, some literally to death, which is not acceptable, and in that case being TOO thin (same as being too fat) does not look good or natural- since it just isn't.

I'm all for thin AS LONG AS IT'S NATURAL): ONLY then is it healthy and looks good/ feminine etc.

Your argument is basically an "emotional" belief-without scientific backup or proof- that people are either "fat" or "thin", without realizing there is a healthy medium, and then you assume without any reasonable explanation that any person preferring healthy slim to VERY and unhealty thin must actually be here just to oppose thin girls to feel better if she's a woman, or that it's a man coming here to do get excited sexually by more curvaceaous woman, no doubt you assume that "curvy" is also a code word for fat, which it is NOT): Sigh.

You will find many rational men and women with no personal agenda on the site with healthy slim body weights and outlooks, coming here to (surprise): simply to:

1- Discuss the lack of beauty in the fashion world and underweight women (underweight to some of us is just as unattractive as overweight and actually very unhealty, if you doubt that you can read some of the articles I pasted in some of the comments above, or do your own research into the world of modelling and anorexia, and yes I know anorexia is a mental condition- but it would be naive to assume the fashion world bears no responsibility in pressuring some girls who may be poor from other countries and must lose the weight to support their families or girls too young and fragile to fight the new notion of "anorexic thin")

2- Even though we have no agenda, some of us may (I can only speak for myself) have compassion for models who are starving/ dying to keep their jobs, just because they are human beings- and truly not for any other agenda -whatever you may like to believe.

3- And some of us have a natural desire to learn and research more about issues to do with the fashion industry and models and changing trends in society, just because it's an interesting subject/theme to some to discuss, nothing more or less. Sigh.

One noted designer was reported telling the models (we don't want you to BE anorexic just LOOK anorexic) Not many can pull that one off):

If you have a couterargument for why having to be TOO thin (to the point of death and anorexia for some models) has now become a requirement for some models based on the designers' request, rather than healthy slim: i.e. why being a US zero or double 00 or maximum 2 is suddenly the ONLY acceptable weight for the models and anything over is considered "fat" then please write a respectful counterargument, without resorting to strawmen or name calling or making it personal.

Not everyone believes in the "coat hanger" theory, surprise ): since 1- we're buying the clothes for us , the women not the coathangers 2- There was a time even 20 years ago or so when the models WHERE allowed to be healthy slim vs anorexic thin (ie US 4 or UK 8 vs nowadays vs. US 0 or UK 4) Not even going as far back as the days of Marilyn Monroe who would now be called "fat" in this weird industry):. This is also mentioned by some models on the net and easily verified, nowadays perfectly thin girls US 4 are told to lose more weight even if it hurts them or lose their job. If you have a good rational reason for that other than changing trends, coathangers, yada yada I'd be interested to hear it): Sure many of us would.

You may believe that everyone has an agenda, that's up to you. But the reality is everyone has a differen opinion based on their experience in the world, this is life, it's just having an opinion): You may not like it, that's your perogative, but you need to respect it. If something is politically incorrect or offensive to some that does NOT automatically render it untrue.

Personally -like the author- I would simply love to see more appreciation of more feminine beauty and discuss it in a rational respectful manner, without attacking or being attacked, but I can see that isn't going to happen on the site, with the exception of some very intelligent people, men and women here, who are willing to discuss things in a logical manner, and counter attack the argument- if they disagree with it- rather than the person, and don't result to insults, crude suggestions based on who they perceive the gender of the write to be, often turning out to be wrong): or strawmen or just plain disrespect.

It doesn't matter if people disagree or have different opinions that is life, it just matters that we deal with those differing opinions with respect. Is that so hard to do? Can't people just agree to disagree?

By the way the sizes I mentioned as healthy and attractive were just my personal opinion -and others are free to disagree with that, and if others prefers smaller or bigger sizes that is their opinion and needs to be respected, and I do respect it): The sizes I mentioned were more or less just examples of healthy/ slim sizes IMHO to show that life isn't just about being very fat or very thin; that there are healthy and trim slim or average weights in between that many can and DO find attractive (men and women)- without women being either overweight or underweight.

And I realize that some women/ ppl/ models are naturally thin and that looks beautiful (natural thin I mean)- but not as many as we'd like to believe- according to indsiders in the fashion industry. Especially after a certain age when metabolism starts slowing down for some women. I'm just against forcing people/ women to be UNnaturally thin and hurt themselves, sometimes to the point of death, just to hold their jobs, when the playing field isn't equal and there's no real "choice" and that's just my opinion; nobody has to agree with it, many do though, nor should I be attacked for it.

The whole point is we need to respect that people may have an opinion, which is valid and deserves respect as we can and should respect theirs, even if we disagree with it, without assuming everyone has an agenda.

And btw, Joe, the women you mentioned your dad likes some people will find attractive also for many reasons: some are attractive due to the element of masculinization - if not overdone- giving them an attractive look, like Keira Knightly whose face I feel has something attractive, many disagree, many agree, that's fine. Some women can look more attractive due to airbrushing, there are many elements. If you took the time to browse the site before your rant): you'd know more about what makes people look attractive, there's also the celebrity status thing, not having other very feminine women in very big numbers in the celebrity/ fashion world to compare them to, etc, any number of reasons worth considering before going into attack mode, maybe unnecessarily, with a bunch of strangers on the net- most of whom you can presume to know nothing or very little about; other that that their viewpoint may - or may not- differ from your own for what to them are valid reasons, like I presume your arguments make valid sense to you? Why is that so hard for you to understand and respect? If it wasn't you'd come on, state your opinion and reasons, without personal attacks. That way others may even be more inclined to think about your viewpoint.

Also you mentioned some very well known actresses/ models but if you studied the site you will understand that some of them are more feminie than others by the standards of feminity; i.e. Scarlett Johansen is more feminine than some of the others mentioned like Keira, and bear in mind that "feminine" is different than "attractive", though "feminine" plays an important part in what's attractive as long as it's not too feminine; everything in balance looks best. As the author explained, there's a point where too feminine or too masculine becomes unappealing.

Anyway, that's my opinion and you're free to yours. Forgive any spelling mistakes as it's late and I'm tired): I will post any other interesting articles I find on the subjects mentioned in your site, Eric, and thanks for the fascinating site. If anyone wants to discuss anything further they can post their email or ask for mine. Otherwise will just come here to paste any articles that may be of interest to you and some of your readers, since I don't have time to debate the points further.

That's my two cents): Peace.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 23:46 M The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

Well, that sure explains the sheep-like submission and HEAVILY brainwashed thing.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 23:45 Jo The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

The point is quite obviously to anyone with a half decent pair of eyes is to tear these women down because the author hates himself and couldn't get with ANY women, "masculine" and "boyish" or not. I shames me deeply that women with strong or unusual beauty like Heidi or Gisele are condemned for not having plastic, cookie cutter "beauty". We get it: you guys like ugly and plain chubby girls with saggy tits because they are easier for the insecure, fat, desperate males to chase and easier for the insecure, more than likely fat females who hate their bodies to relate to and feel good about themselves. You guys are hateful and quite disgusting. I'd love to see any of you explain all this to the women IRL.

My dad is the definition of "straight male" and he finds Heidi quite hot, as he does Keira Knightley, Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johansson (bleh), Selma Blair, Audrey Hepburn, Emma Watson, Lindsay Lohan, Jaime Pressley, the blonde from "Garfunkel and Oates"... I could go on. Go tell him he likes "mannish" women.

Oh, and by the way, guys... if you're checking out other men SO MUCH that you start to see "boyish" traits in obviously female persons, you need help. Or at least, you need to come out from way back there in the closet. Grow a pair, then maybe you'll find someone to use them with.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 23:38 Jo The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

NO U "visitor".

You're definitely mad 'cause of a simple statement, thus proving that she is correct and you hate it. Go jack off to chubby, ugly girls who look as feminine as a hairy set of balls, pig.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 23:36 Jo The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

Um if you're gay and do nothing but check out men till you start to see women as men, maybe? Lol, queero.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 23:15 Jo The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 6

...because you've seen them all.

Only a male interested in other men who stares at the faces of men all day would see masculinity in European women. They tend to be exotic looking which idiots often confuse for masculine for some odd reason while plainness (a common trait of Latinas) is often confused for femininity. Adriana is by far more masculine than any other model.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 18:55 erika Fulton More on Hugh Hefner, founder of Playboy magazine

trannys and drag queens all do the same crap these women do....spackle on makeup, bleach their hair to a crisp, get tons of plastic surgery....i'm pretty much convinced they're all dudes.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 11:19 Miki Discrimination against unattractive women

The part about offspring is bullshit. Especially since my parents are very masculine, and my brother and I are very feminine looking. The fact that he's "pretty as a girl" has never caused him trouble in finding a partner, quite the contrary. I also think that a masculine looking woman can be beautiful (some of the Victoria's secret models ARE stunning), and a feminine looking woman can be unattractive (like some of that porn actresses you give as examples). I don't understand why everybody has a problem with differences amongst people. Oh, right, now I know - your undestanding is limited and you have a need to put everybody under labels, so your tiny brain won't hurt. Which would bring us to the fact that media moguls are the same kind of fools with limitations in understanding, since they promote only one type of beauty. You're no better then them, really.

I wish for a world where women can express their sexuality freely, feel attractive in their own skin, and say "No!" to such brainwashing, discriminating, labeling shit.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 10:11 :-) The aesthetics of the eyebrows

# 295 | Submitted by ? on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:16 | :-), if the comments

'' he did not say that black hair is in and of itself "better" than blond, red, or brown. ''

Nowhere has it been claimed he did and nowhere did my comment claim black hair was 'better' than blonde hair. My comment made reference to the 'beauty' of black hair over blonde not that it was ‘better’. It stated:

'Nothing racist in pointing out the the Beauty of Black hair over Blonde. ‘’
Finding something more beautiful than something else is not racist. Referring to the variation in degrees of beauty is not racist. Does not mean if you find something more beautiful than another you don’t find the other beautiful at all.

My comment further stated:

'Erik himself more or less hints at this too in one of his comments where he points out that the model appeals to him more with black hair than blonde’
Out of the choice of Black or Blonde hair on the attractive European woman Amber Heard
Erik states 'she looks great in my opinion, especially when her hair is dyed black.'

Conclusion: Out of the choice of Black or Blonde hair on an attractive women a woman who looks ‘great’ he chooses Black. Case Closed.

My comment stated Erik ‘hints’ at this. My comment never stated Erik categorically points out ‘the Beauty of Black hair over Blonde’ but that he 'hints' towards it.
End of.

Its is clear from your comment that the comment of Eriks you were referring to was the following:

http://www.femininebeauty.info/sample-artwork
'I haven’t found goth impressive except for the combination of black hair and pale skin, which I like.'

Erik is referring to the Goth look where he states he 'likes' the combination of black hair and pale skin. Not that he is 'partial to black hair,’ or even more so 'partial to black hair, especially when it is teamed with pale skin;' He categorically states in his exact words he 'likes' this combination. Not that he likes this combination over any other combination hence has a 'partial' liking to it as he makes no mention of any other combination or hair colour. He 'likes' it. End Of.

The comments Erik has left on the subject of black hair make it clear that he 'likes' the combination of black hair and pale skin and in the case of an attractive European woman Amber Heard he finds her look ‘great’ but EVEN MORE SO ', especially when her hair is dyed black.’ He emphasises the increase in her attractiveness with black hair.

Just to add to the following comment of yours:

'As for the "real deal being unavailable," as you put it, black hair is the most available of all hair colors, seeing as over 90% of humans have black hair. It is not exotic at all, since exoticness implies rarity.'

The 'real deal' was refering to Quality of Overall looks not Hair colour alone or Quantity. Quality and Quanity are two different things. Quality doesn’t have to be rare to be of a high standard.If Europeans find Blonde hair attractive or the most attractive of all hair colours then there should be no offense taken in the above comment it is just a difference in perspective on the same thing. Agreement on everything isn’t necessary.

Finally,Feel free to take offence at what you like, your going to anyway.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 08:28 :-) The aesthetics of the eyebrows

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:16 ? The aesthetics of the eyebrows

:-), if the comments targeting nonwhites are to be taken as racist, then yours are also, but you are too prejudiced to acknowledge it.

The comments targeted towards non-whites may have been taken as RACIST by individuals but Im not the one complaining. The basis on which you present or deem a comment to be racist is a very strange way to conclude a comment is racist. Just because someone else has complained about a comment being racist does not make someone elses comment racist because they happen to share the same ethnic group as the one who complained about the comment being racist.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 06:28 :-) The aesthetics of the eyebrows

*Erik would not have to caim 'that black hair is in and of itself "better" than blond, red, or brown.' His preference for it over blonde hair in the example of the blonde woman 'Amber Laura Heard' and his preference for the black hair/pale skin gothic look says it all. Just as Erik any anyone else is entitled to his preferences I am to mine. If you prefere red hair over any other hair your entitled to feel that way you should not feel that way any less in case im offended by it.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 06:21 :-) The aesthetics of the eyebrows

# 295 | Submitted by ? on Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:16 | :-), if the comments

:-), if the comments targeting nonwhites are to be taken as racist, then yours are also, but you are too prejudiced to acknowledge it

You were offered an explanation but have choose to reject it. You will not be offered another one so take/interpret and accept the comment as it pleases you.

''Erik said that he is partial to black hair, especially when it is teamed with pale skin; he did not say that black hair is in and of itself "better" than blond, red, or brown. That is not a racist comment, but a statement of preference, and saying that you like a particular hair color best is very different from saying that that hair color is hands-down superior to others.''

This is Eriks exact comment that was being reffered to:
http://www.femininebeauty.info/amber-heard

''Amber Heard is not very feminine, but she looks great in my opinion, especially when her hair is dyed black. She is added to the attractive women section.''

Nowhere in his comment does he claim he is ''partial to black hair,'' and further nowhere does he claim he is 'partial' to black hair 'especially when it is teamed with pale skin;'

His comment CATERGORICALY STATES the model looks great but 'especialy when her hair is dyed black' Nowhere does he make any reference to 'especially when it is teamed with pale skin;' In other words nowhere has he claimed his preference for black hair over blonde hair on the model is to do with paleness of skin. Erik has mentioned something along the lines of finding the goth look pale skin/black hair appealing somewhere on the wesite but its clear that his liking for black hair is to do more than with it just being teamed with pale skin. Erik would not have to claim black hair is better than

As for the "real deal being unavailable," as you put it, black hair is the most available of all hair colors, seeing as over 90% of humans have black hair. It is not exotic at all, since exoticness implies rarity.

The 'real deal being unavailable' was initially used by Emily when refering to blonde hair. My usage of it in return was not in reference to Hair colour alone. My comment was:

'Men prefer danger. You are right the real deal is often unavailable."

The only time the usage was used in reference to hair colour was 'But for some europeans the 'real deal' in there world is the lifeless, light, colourless.... blonde hair.'

Black hair may be avaialble more than any other colour but on that basis alone it does not make it any less beautiful. Rarity does not equate to beauty it equates to what it is rarity. Exoticness does not just imply rarity it implies something foreign too which is usally associated with the East.

Besides nothing for you to get worked up about black hair is present amongst europeans too so in effect my liking for black hair over any other hair colour does not imply and cannot imply anything racist towards europeans when europeans possess black hair irrespective of how rare or common. No hair colour is any more or less european than another hair colour.

'That said, I like black hair, though I am most partial to red, the truly least available hair color of them all.'

Nice!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:16 ? The aesthetics of the eyebrows

:-), if the comments targeting nonwhites are to be taken as racist, then yours are also, but you are too prejudiced to acknowledge it. Erik said that he is partial to black hair, especially when it is teamed with pale skin; he did not say that black hair is in and of itself "better" than blond, red, or brown. That is not a racist comment, but a statement of preference, and saying that you like a particular hair color best is very different from saying that that hair color is hands-down superior to others.

As for the "real deal being unavailable," as you put it, black hair is the most available of all hair colors, seeing as over 90% of humans have black hair. It is not exotic at all, since exoticness implies rarity. That said, I like black hair, though I am most partial to red, the truly least available hair color of them all.

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