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Tue, 08/14/2012 - 17:28 K Leg-length to height ratio and attractiveness

Sorry about my merged words and spelling errors in the above post. These phone keys are tiny ;)

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 17:26 K Leg-length to height ratio and attractiveness

LOL to D's comment. You are absolutely correct! Men have longer ribcages but overall shorter torsoes than women (think biology and common sense). Men also have external genitalia, therefore needing more roomin pants (shorter inseam than their actual leg measurements). But has anyone taken a look at the side view of a guy next to a woman of similar stature? In most cases his butt is way higher. Women need a alonger "rise" (resulting in a lower, longer butt)to accommodate the uterus. Take into account the fact that most nen are top heavy or trunk heavy (apple ir inverted triangle) and these types are generally leggier to balance vertical weight distribution. Since men are rarely bottom heavy, and many women ARE (pears, who tend towards longer torsoes to valance things out), this is just added confurnatuon that men overall have proportionately longer legs.
What we see in the media is all an illusion. Models arephotoshopped and too thin to begin with. Thin creates an illusion of length. Also, most models are still children or very young adults. Not quite filled in. Add heels and a particular preference for boyish coat-hanger types, which are generally long limbed, and you have a skewed version of what women should look like.
As far as reality goes, men prefer women who look healthy and balanced.It's the false media perception that creates such lies about leg length, etc

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 11:48 nicegirl Fashion models and mannequins in East Asia

Erik,do you not understand the way i said my comment or do you just not have the time to answer it?

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 11:15 Sionnach The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 2

Hi gang,

Sorry, I've got to agree with Erik here, esp. where Gisele Bundchen is concerned. Point for point, the three young ladies above may not be classic beauties, but they are blessed with some feminine attributes that are singularly lacking in Gisele and some of the other women who are high fashion models. Namely, soft skin, curves, round derrieres, full natural breasts, small hands/feet, proportionate arms, etc. as well as more feminine features of arched brows, full lips, small noses, and small chins characterize a more feminine appearance and typically are features which make most women sexually attractive to most men. High fashion models are selected for their work for different reasons: height, leanness and angularity have an androgynous appeal that is currently trendy in the high fashion world and help to put focus on the clothing itself rather than on the women wearing it. Most women cannot aspire to this, nor would we want to: a feminine appearance is what makes us attractive to our partners.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 11:11 Visitor The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

I'd like to point out also that I am not saying curvy or 'plus size models' are have no place in the fashion world, I just simply took the defensive stance and did not want to agree with your clear bias towards this type of figure. I have worked with some incredibly beautiful and talented women that are curvy and larger than your average catwalk model. I have seen people close to me suffering from eating disorders and I definitely do not think that people should be basing their weight goals on super skinny models- but I think you need to look at the bigger picture and not just attack someone for being slim. I also believe that Heidi Klum would be one of the healthier top models out there and that some people are just born that way! I recently worked with an african model who probably ate more than I did (and I'm no dieter!) and she was tiny, but clearly naturally so (and it didn't look disgusting because of this). I think what society should be doing is focussing on DIFFERENT body shapes and celebrating all of them and not putting down skinny girls, some can be just as self conscious as bigger girls. I was bullied in my early to mid teens for looking like a '10 year old' with 'chicken legs' and I would have killed for hips and boobs!! KILLED FOR THEM! I could rant on forever, I just don't like reading these kind of things on the internet and hearing that despite my often junk food diet, I will apparently never be an attractive, sexy woman (I only get a gut when I put on weight... sexy? no). That's all!

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 10:56 Visitor The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

From a fashion photographers point of view, bottom line is (although I know many people won't want to hear this) WOMEN may look better with curves, but CLOTHES look better on a frame - a frame of a body (which Heidi Klum has). I definitely don't think this means starved individuals with no meat on them at all, but it does often mean someone without huge tits and a round ass. This is because the catwalk is essentially an exhibition of art, the clothes are not necessarily made for the everyday woman to wear to the shops, they are a branding mechanism used by designers to show their creativity and give a general overview of what their style is about, therefore they want a want a walking frame that draws attention to their 'art' and not the cleavage revealed. Furthermore I would like to add that I often find it insulting when I hear people say 'ugh thats not a woman, women have breast and hips and shape' because I myself have never been blessed with much shape! I am not at all a size zero, nor am I six ft tall and breathtaking beautiful. I am a petite, slim, 'boobless' WOMAN! I am so sick and tired of hearing 'Marilyn Monroe stands for beauty, her hourglass figure is what we should aspire to bla bla' - Yes, der, she was incredible.. but there is a reason she is one of the most famous sex symbols in modern history - because not everyone can be that blessed! Just like not everyone can be tall thin and shapeless.. but those that are, well good.. they can go do modelling and leave 'sexy real women' to flaunt their shit proudly down the street as opposed to the catwalk.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 06:07 Dan Skinny gurl on Kate Upton

Erik, there are a lot of books where it is about the exploration of human beauty. And all books address a broad audience. You should write a book too, a fascinating report of the most interesting areas in which science currently has to offer.

The list is not exhaustivea and the comments on each of the books give the subjective opinion of me

Ulrich Renz:Beauty science. Beauty is a scandal. Even a beautiful baby gets more attention than a less pretty, the beautiful waitress bigger tips than their less respectable colleague, the more attractive candidates offer a higher salary, better-looking politicians more votes.

Bernd Guggenberger: Simply beautiful. Beauty as a social force. (Red Book, 2001 dtv, 2002). The book of varied social scientist, journalist and self-confessed "beauty Tifosi" Bernd Guggenberger is a pure joy. Not only because the reader convincingly illustrate, enter governs the extent to which beauty in our social and individual life - but also because it is sharp-tongued and rhetorically brilliant takes a stand against the 80erJahren in the cultured and is still endemic intellectual self-deception, therefore beauty is a "myth" and "true beauty" comes from the inside.

Nancy Etcoff: Only the most beautiful surviving - The aesthetics of the people (Hugendubel, 2001). The author is a neuroscientist at Harvard University, and involved himself in the study of human beauty. Her book summarizes the results of the attractiveness of research (as of 1998) together in readable form. Besides the fact that the findings are carefully researched and documented, the special quality of the book lies in the many references to culture and history.

Daniel McNeill: The Face - A Cultural History (Kremayr & Scherian 2001, btb, 2003). Is approaching its subtitle it in this book quite by life science questions: Why does the human face from the way it looks? What "signal language" speaks it? What we perceive them as "beautiful" - and why? A wealth of historical details, anecdotes and stories make this book a very entertaining read.

Karl Grammer: Signals of love - the biological laws of the partnership (Hoffmann & Campe, 1993 dtv, 1995). The book of the Vienna ethologist Karl Grammer may be due to its extremely high density of facts known almost as a textbook. It deals not only with questions of physical attractiveness, but the human behavior in a broader sense flirtation - in addition to the beauty as well as gestures, facial expressions and odors come into play. The author has given the scientific integrity and care more attention than the teaching, so that the common thread in the big book in places, something is lost.

Andrea Hauner & Elke Reichart (eds.): Body Talk. The cult of risky body and beauty (Hanser Series in dtv, 2004). A collection of sometimes very readable stories, essays and personal accounts, where the excesses of the cult of beauty will be discussed. The authors are physicians, scientists, psychologists, artists, and "affected" youths. The plant is used in some schools as teaching reading.

Frank Naumann: Beautiful people have more of life: The secret power of Attractiveness (Fischer TB, 2006). Locker easy round trip through the main provinces of the attractiveness of research, not entirely free of popular misconceptions, but still worth reading.

Manfred Hassebrauck & Beate Küpper: Why do we fly together - the laws of mate choice (Nabu Press, 2002). A very popular held, successful mix of science and Report guide around the themes of love, lust and passion - and what a role beauty plays.

Waltraud Posch: body make the man - the cult of Beauty (Penguin Books, 1999). A fact-rich analysis of the cult of beauty from a sociological perspective, in which the results of modern research into attractiveness, however, have unfortunately not yet integrated. The book is aimed at scientific Preformed.

Ernst Peter Fischer: The Beauty and the Beast. Aesthetic moments in science (Piper, 1997) This book approaches the phenomenon known historian of science to the beauty of the different sides. Philosophy, mathematics and biology. The individual parts are indeed sometimes pretty in depth (such as the very readable versions of the Golden-section or in the subtitle of the work harmonious with theme that scientific knowledge has also an aesthetic dimension), some areas are only fragmentary and somewhat carelessly dealt with - what has changed in the forthcoming expanded edition might.

Uly Woerner: The Salome Complex - being forced to be nice and how to break free of them (Cross, 2002). A surprisingly serious Guide about female beauty addiction.

Harrison Pope, Katharine Phillips, Roberto Olivardia: The Adonis Complex. Obsession with beauty and body art for men (dtv, 2001). The male equivalent of "Salome" complex. The authors examine the issue of "muscle and exercise addiction" both from a scientific point of view and in light of their own experiences as a psychiatrist and psychotherapist.

Harald Gasper Gasper & Regina: wonderfully ugly! Why the world does not belong to the Fair (Eichborn, 2005). The book serves as a sort of manifesto against the dictatorship of the beautiful people, with the authors, however, make little effort to deal with the causes of the beauty cult.

Angelika Taschen (eds). Aesthetic Surgery (Taschen, 2005), The lavishly illustrated Opus has set itself the goal of the state of the art to convey in terms of cosmetic surgery. While still quite critical in the preface notes are played, the whole thing turns out to be but as a celebration of some mighty big stars of the industry.

Julius Wiedemann: Digital Beauties (Taschen, 2003). A retrospective nature of the world's best creators of digital beauties.

Focus of evolutionary psychology / biology

Matt Ridley: Eros and evolution. The natural history of sexuality (Nabu Press in 1995 and 1998). A written and exciting yet profound introduction to the theories of sexual selection. Together with Helena Cronin's "The Aunt and the Peacock", which unfortunately does not exist in German one, "Eros and evolution" of the absolute classics of evolutionary theory.

Geoffrey F. Miller: The sexual evolution - mate choice and the emergence of the mind (Oxford University Press, 2001). Strictly speaking, it is in this book is not about human beauty, but about the human brain - more specifically the question, how can the rapid development of our thinking organ to explain the theory of evolution. Miller's response leads to the concept of sexual selection, which is durchdekliniert in this book is a brilliant and entertaining way. The human mind is therefore the same purpose as the tail of the peacock male, namely the advertising partner. That the theory is extremely risky, makes up the charm of the book. Since I have not referred to Miller's theory in my book, this is for the interested reader here rescheduled .

David Buss: The Evolution of Desire - Secrets of mate choice (cable, 1994, Goldman, 2000). Buss is one of the main protagonists and co-founder of modern evolutionary psychology. Here he presents a coherent theory of mate choice. Buss moves very closely within the evolutionary psychological paradigm, which sees in our conduct of a shaped the evolution of "adaptation", and leaves little room for "cultural" explanations. Some of the presented hypotheses seem so far-fetched something.

Amotz Zahavi & Avishag: signals of communication. The Handicap Principle (Island, 1998). This book provides the handicap theory first-hand - namely, that of its two inventors, Amotz Zahavi and Avishag. The two Israeli zoologist lead their readers with tangible joy through original edifice - which is however larger and larger and at the end of almost all of its contours lost, because the theory was originally restricted to the exchange of signals between sex partners, intraspecific rivals and predators now extended to all social systems of all living things - and possibly over-stretched - will.

Matthias Uhl & Eckard Voland: show-off have more out of life (Oxford University Press, 2002). This well-written book is a sort of explanation of human culture in the spirit of the handicap dar. Zahavi'sche The transfer of the handicap principle to human social behavior, but is anything but straightforward, but not without charm. The choice of the title is still amazing though, but it is the philosophy of the principle on its head - in which it is indeed not about specifying exactly (ie the false pretenses), but about honesty.

Desmond Morris: The Naked Eva (Heyne, 2004). To clarify the question of why the female body looks like it looks, bears Desmond Morris together once more his well-known explanations and hypotheses. The former pop star of anthropology does without to prove to the sparse and often superannuated sites, from which he draws.

Winfried Menninghaus: The promise of beauty (Suhrkamp, ​​2003). The Berlin philosophy professor examined in this book cross-connections of the "Darwinian" theory of sexual selection both to Freund's ideas as well as to Greek mythology. The work is remarkable in many ways: firstly by the fact that here As a philosopher, a life sciences subject, then the fact that this is at a level of the least active in the field researchers (who uphold generally the flags of evolutionary psychology) , is achieved. In addition, the author presents the canonical nor even the same doctrine in question - namely, that sexual ornaments are indicators of superior genes. Menninghaus breaks a lance for the classical Darwinian theory of sexual selection, in the ornaments as nothing "fashion". Remarkably, the philosopher, even for a very high density of foreign words that make the book not for humanities Preformed a hard nut to crack.

Karl Eibl: Animal Poet - building blocks of biological cultural and literary theory (Mentis, 2004). Just as the book of Menninghaus are also due to the merit of this, the reluctance of the humanities against the theory of evolution break down. The author is a literary scholar from Munich and in contrast to the modern theory of evolution Menninghaus compared to something friendlier. Eibl, it is not so much about the visual beauty of the human body, but about "aesthetics" in a broader sense. His concern is to establish a "biological cultural and literary theory." Why does art LUST? What is it good? After the conviction of the author's "luck" is not just a "by-product of evolution" (as the evolutionary psychologist Steven Pinker says, for the arts in addition to the fine cuisine and pornography, the third "pleasure technology" is), but a stand-alone "fitness factor".

Klaus Richter: The origin of beauty. Broad evolutionary aesthetics (Philip of Saverne, 1999). This book traces the late 2001 Jena professor of animal physiology, an ambitious goal: the "Outline of a universal grammar of aesthetics to create", "comparable to what has already been achieved with the evolutionary linguistics". When failure of this high demand, however, he makes a perfectly good figure. Because unlike other attempts to explain the aesthetic sense biologically, puts the author deals with a wide range of aesthetic experiences, the beauty of the human body through the beauty of works of art to the beauty of numbers. He 's not even in the case to the many evolutionary psychologists can not make a bow partout - namely that they are losing out of sheer evolutionary "adaptation" the cultural relativity of human feeling and behavior from the point of view. In many areas (including the declaration of human attractiveness), the book remains very attached to the surface, some topics are touched upon little more than.

History (cultural history, art history)

Egon Friedell. Cultural history of modern times (in two volumes, dtv, 1976) Friedell is a pure delight. He makes history visible, smell, hear and feel.

. Umberto Eco, History of Beauty (Hanser, 2004 / dtv 2006) A wonderfully opulent photo book on the cultural and intellectual history of beauty - in which Eco decorated but with borrowed plumes: Half of the work comes from the pen of a Koautors, after Feudalmanier was relegated to small print. The work documents the transformation of Western aesthetic sensibilities through the centuries, which is reflected in the artistic representation of the human body as well as in architecture and philosophy. That the sense of beauty of the different eras, but an "absolute polytheism" indulges in, as the authors argue, can be at least in relation to the human body does not understand - just the images gathered in the book contradict this finding strongly.

Umberto Eco: Art and Beauty in the Middle Ages (dtv, 1993, Hanser, 2002). In this study of the artistic conception of the Middle Ages, it is possible Eco, to open up to the reader the feeling of life and the world of medieval man, who took in the afterlife in this life the central square. The resulting unconditional amalgamation of aesthetics is clearly demonstrated with the religious basis of contemporary texts.

William Trapp: The beautiful aesthetics of an impossible man to body (Erich Schmidt Verlag, Berlin, 2003). The literary scholar Wilhelm Trapp, this book uses examples from the literature of the "feminization of Beauty" by that began with the Renaissance and was institutionalized with the takeover of the middle class or less. The woman has since become the "fair sex" - the handsome man on the other hand an "impossible figure" that clings to something suspicious, unmanly. Trapp's analysis is worth reading - even if the implicit conclusion that it is in today's cult of female beauty is a historical anomaly not used (and not proven) is. For (almost) all times and in (almost) all cultures, it is actually the female sex, the attribute is ascribed the "beautiful".

Ingrid Loschek, Reclams fashion and costume presentations (Reclam, 2005). Anyone interested in the history of fashion gets here a wonderful and richly illustrated overview. In addition to the lexical part gives the work a quick tour through the history of fashion.

Otto Penz: Metamorphoses of beauty. A cultural history of modern physical (Turia & Kant, 2001). The book by the sociologist Otto Penz follows the transformation of Western notions of beauty in the 20th Century. Here, the prevailing images of the body with respect to the spirit of the times are set. The work is carefully researched, full of figures and still quite legible.

Nathalie Chahine, Catherine & Marie-Pierre Jazdzewski Lannelongue: beauty. A cultural history of the 20th Century (Schirmer / Mosel, 2005). A beautiful picture book, in which the development of the ideal of beauty in the 20th Century by decade to decade is traced.

Michèle Didou-Manent, Tran Ky & Hervé Robert: Fat or thin? Body art through the ages (Lübbe Bastion, 2000). A very entertaining book, in which a track historian and two doctors of the eternal change of each as it deems desirable body shape from prehistory to the media age.

Arthur Marwick: Beauty in History. Society, politics and personal appearance c. . 1500 to the present (Thames and Hudson, 1988) A very learned and voluminous book in which the great British historian - in his own words - to uncover the "social and political implications of the appearance of" wants. Marwick describes as the fact whether a person is beautiful or less beautiful, not only his personal life, but also can affect the course of history. The work is unfortunately only available in English. With It: A History of Human Beauty is since 2005 - in the words of the author - (illustrated, but unfortunately much scarcer) "shorter and better" work on the same subject (Hamledon & London, 2005).

Julian Robinson: The Quest for Human Beauty. . An Illustrated History (WW Norton, 1998) This book of the world traveler, artist and eccentric Julian Robinson lives many of his photographs - the astounding surprise, and shock, delight sometimes. You do remember that the imagination of man to change his body, literally knows no bounds - the practice of an African tribe to turn down the incisors to the penis piercing of our day.

Feminist Literature

Betty Friedan: The Feminine Mystique, or the self-emancipation of women (Rowohlt, 1966). Betty Friedan, on 4 February 2006 to her 85th Birthday has died, is one of the most influential figures in modern feminism. In this her first book describes and criticizes them the amazing metamorphosis, the American women in the postwar period went through massively - from the self-conscious professionals to the "desperate housewife" whose sole purpose is to cultivate her femininity.

Rita Freedman: The victims of Venus - being forced to be beautiful (cross-Verlag, 1992, Heyne, 1993). This influential book shows the psychotherapist Freedman the many traps that are ready for the "fair sex" when it is defined by its exterior. As a remedy, she argues for a "system in which both sexes, the joys and burdens to share the beautiful one" - and indulges in it the in the 80s so popular androgyny myth that the world would be a paradise, when the two sexes only adjusting to each other would.

Naomi Wolf: The Beauty Myth (Rowohlt, 1991, 2000). Given the simplicity of his message is a bit puzzled why Naomi Wolf's book has come so fast in the sky classic: Beauty is enslaved by Wolf nothing but an invention of men to women. Apparently the author has, however, struck a nerve with the audience by not only presents all the beauty mania sufferers (and who is not among them?) A culprit, but also gives them the pleasant opportunity to indulge in feelings of victims.

Nancy Friday: The Power of Beauty (Goldmann, 1999, Bertelsmann, 2001). Whether it is the author of a feminist, ex-feminist or anti-feminist, most readers will probably not even after reading the work to be clear. Nor, if Nancy Friday is now the cult of the feminine beauty rather cheering (by, for example, says of her sexy underwear and her designer clothes) - and he watched closely ("? Why do I need a freaky packaging"). Perhaps it is also precisely these contradictions and openness that makes the work worth reading. Unlike Wolf's "Beauty Myth" is not a political manifesto (and certainly not against the "men" from Friday as a "preferred dump, dump on the women all their anger and bitterness," are called), but a very personal relationship of an aging woman with the double-edged (and dwindling) power of her beauty.

Ebba Drolshagen: The body's New Clothes - The production of female beauty (Fischer, 1995). A well-written, slightly mocking stock of about obsession with beauty. In line with the "naughty girl" wave of the 90s, the author recommends its readers, their self-image of Pippi Longstocking more or less align with Barbie.

Ursula Nuber (ed.) Mirror, mirror on the wall. The cult of beauty and women (Beltz, 1992). A collection of contributions of female writers on the subject of "Tyranny of Beauty". They all have in common is that they settle for the standard "poor women are suppressed via the beauty myth of evil men" are knitted. Whether this radical feminist delusion really helps the readers more confidence should be doubted. Very worth reading is the contribution of the disjunctions Dörthe Binkert of external and internal aging.

Philosophy / Art

Michael Keller House (ed.): What is beautiful is. Classic Texts from Plato to Adorno (dtv, 2002). The book provides an excellent introduction to philosophical aesthetics plots all texts will be presented with a very clear introduction that puts them in the context of their historical flow.

George L. Hersey. Temptation to measure - ideal and the tyranny of the perfect body (Siedler, 1998) For the art historian Hersey, the roots of today's beauty perception lie in the ancient world, whose V orstellungen ssance of the "ideal proportions" on the Renai up in Modernism was passed by Hersey, the classical ideal was not only the aesthetic sensibilities shaped by the people, but even her body itself: As the ideal of relevant people as desirable, it was felt they had more reproductive opportunities - so that if the people. Now the current body shapes over the course of Western history by sexual selection itself "grown". In defense of the author was told that he had curled thesis very carefully worded - and that the book is a very nice introduction to the ancient theory of proportion, and the iconography of the Renaissance is.

Rather aimed at a professional audience

Ronald Henss: Mirror, Mirror on the Wall - gender, age and physical attractiveness (Beltz Psychology Publishing Union, 1992). Ronald Henss is the world expert in the field of Urteilerübereinstimung (that is the question of how "objective" is our judgment of beauty). The book presents the past at the Saarland University psychologist working not only his own research, but is also a very systematic and clear overview of the worldwide literature on the subject.

Ronald Henss. Face and personality impression (Hogrefe, 1998) The psychological personality F revolves around achbuch question: W hat is the role of the exterior in the assessment of the interior? The various aspects of the issue to the characteristic of Henss, soothing systematic way are discussed: First, the question of the structure of personality impressions, after the correlation between personality traits, which means the judges recognize the assessees. Then the question of concordance, and thirdly, the question of the relationship between physiognomy and personality impression.

. Manfred Hassebrauck Niketta and Reiner (eds): Physical Attractiveness (Hogrefe, 1993) This anthology draws (for a specialized audience) the sum of the attractiveness of German empirical psychological research - which was not internationally recognized, unfortunately, in the least. A discussion of evolutionary psychology approaches unfortunately completely missing in this volume.

Hergovich Andreas (ed.): Psychology of beauty - physical attractiveness, from a scientific perspective (WCT University Press, 2002). The individual contributions in this volume cover the main fields of psychological research into attractiveness. The work is different from a "real" text book is that the contributions of students were drawn (at the Institute of Psychology, University of Vienna) and accordingly are highly variable in quality - with few exceptions, they are like (badly written) papers. After all, the reader with a timely overview of the literature on the topic is given.

Gillian Rhodes and Leslie Zebrowitz: Facial attractiveness. Evolutionary, Cognitive, and Social Perspectives (Ablex Publishing, 2002). The book can already be described almost as a standard textbook of attractiveness research. It shows the whole spectrum of the field of evolutionary psychology (which is represented among others by the Vienna ethologist Karl Grammer) on the theory of perceptual preferences to social-psychological approaches.

Leslie Zebrowitz: Reading Faces: Window to the Soul (Westview Press, 1997). In this "one-woman textbook" American awareness of the researcher, it's about the signals that ends our face s, and how we receive and decode. A particular focus is on th e work of Kindchenschemas and its explanation. The book is a reference book illustrates very clearly written and so lavishly that it will be too many lay people a joy.

Eckart Voland and Karl Grammer: Evolutionary Aesthetics (Springer, 2003). With this volume the authors make an attempt to an explanation of human beauty perception to give sociobiological perspective. This is not only about the beauty of the human body, but just the beauty of landscapes or objects of art. All contributions are based on the axiom that be what we find beautiful, connected to a "fitness advantage" MUST be (one of the contributors speaks of a "fact" that human beauty is a "health certificate" is) - in line is thin and the ice on which the argument is moving in parts.

Viren Swami and Adrian Furnham: The Psychology of Physical Attraction (Routledge, 2008). Although the book is aimed more at the interested layman, but it is quite "scientific" therefore - in the best sense: all the facts are neatly by a veritable army of studies shows. The lead author - Viren Swami - the attractiveness of research so far has rarity value as it attempts to combine social psychology and evolutionary psychological concepts each other. In relation to its claim to provide a "state of affairs" of the attractiveness of research, the work is surprisingly patchy, especially in terms of visual perception and the more recent findings of neuroscience. The "explanation" of the attractiveness stereotype ("beautiful as good") as a manifestation of the profits of multinational corporations unfortunately also devalues ​​Swami's (justified) criticism of too many simple patterns of explanation of its evolutionary psychology colleagues.

Sun, 08/12/2012 - 18:23 Cornell Skinny gurl on Kate Upton

Intresting. But one has to question why she is revered by many men. Hmm. Lately I have been hearing about many men having fantasies about shemales, so maybe thats why so many go wild over her. Maybe they are not totally straight?

Sun, 08/12/2012 - 14:07 science Skinny gurl on Kate Upton

"Not one mainstream publisher could be interested in the truth on the topic."

Because it is not the truth of the topic :)It's your truth.

Sun, 08/12/2012 - 14:04 forgetmyname Self-esteem issues related to the feminine beauty site

By the way 'the evidence'? Not such thing in science.

Sun, 08/12/2012 - 14:02 Visitor Self-esteem issues related to the feminine beauty site

Erik, you are not very good at science. Plenty of articles and reviews to found that contradict these findings. This is exactly what I mean by 'selective reviewing' and 'selective reasoning'. I do not think the passage is racist, I think YOU are racist.
By the way: I cannot even open the article, I can only read the abstract.

Again: did you really think people don't see what your purpose with this website is?
It is quite obvious that you are here to promote white, nordic pride. That you are here to convince white people from European descend that they are better looking, smarter, mentally healthier, and whatever than people that are not from European descend, and therefore should choose to 'mate' with their own race.

Sun, 08/12/2012 - 09:14 Visitor Skinny gurl on Kate Upton

A typical case of trolls trolling trolls. The cycle will never end.

Sun, 08/12/2012 - 05:42 Jessica Attractive women that unfortunately have small breasts

You are a fucking pig! I hope you die a painful death! your proboly some fat fucker sitting alone at home with nobody to love him cause he's a huge pig critizing women for their small breasts,well let me tell you something you stupid fuck! I happen to have small breasts and many men I know love it my fiancee is wild for my perky little 36B's he says he doesn't want them any other way!

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 23:18 Erik Self-esteem issues related to the feminine beauty site

forgotmypreviousname: If you think the passage you refer to is absurd or racist, here is the evidence, a literature review:

Rates of bipolar II disorder are indeed higher among those who marry foreign nationals (usually people from different cultures and often physically different also).

If you plan to omit words while quoting me, which you did in a different place, use ellipses.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 22:48 Erik Skinny gurl on Kate Upton

Jack: Why do you call me a troll? Whereas this site discusses superficial and less important issues, it has never aimed to detract people’s attention from more important issues. And I do not go around bringing up the contents of this site at other sites discussing different issues.

Yasmine: I appreciate your interest in this site, but a book is unlikely. I can see where a book would be useful, particularly in clear organization and flow as opposed to a reader stumbling across a random page of this site and not knowing where to start.

But no publisher would touch it. Physical attractiveness is among the least egalitarian of attributes, and unlike intelligence or athletic performance where lots of practice and effort are necessary for elite achievement, the intrinsic element is paramount in beauty. Any politically correct approach to beauty is fundamentally flawed and has no hope of understanding the phenomenon. Hence not one mainstream publisher could be interested in the truth on the topic.

The only way to publish a book that is cost effective is to create my own publishing company, but I have no incentive to do so, yet.

You can email me your pictures, but it will be a while before I can reply.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 19:34 Jack Skinny gurl on Kate Upton

Erik, I must commend you on a job well done! Doubtless you're the most hilariously effective troll on the Internet, so I was understandably upset when this site appeared to have been abandoned. I'm delighted to see you're back. Please keep up the good work, mate. I recommend this site to all of my friends for a good laugh! :D

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 14:18 friendly anon The aesthetics of the buttocks in the white female

Remember readers: look at the comment section of a non-forum site to find all the stupidest people in the world.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 11:41 Yasmine Skinny gurl on Kate Upton

I love your website, but it would even better a book!! it would be awesome if you would write a book about feminine beauty!
My friends and I usually read your page, and we are interested in modeling. I do not know if it would be possible to send our pictures by e-mail so you would be able to appraise our degree of femininity, attractiveness and beauty of my friends and mine.

Let me to know if I can send pictures to your email. Thanks! :)

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 11:32 forgotmypreviousname Self-esteem issues related to the feminine beauty site

“You have an opinion and you will make up reasons to support that, in doing so you ignore any point that contradicts your
opinion and highlight anyone and anything that supports your preference. This is called delusion when you go too far. Emily is clearly highly cognitive dissonant.
I am sure that anyone who tells you that you are deluded and should come to your senses is not welcome here. Anyone who accuses you of being a bigot is not welcome here. Similarly I am sure you will welcome any racist so you can feed off your own hate and contempt”

Exactly what I was thinking.
“Then, mixed ancestry people are presumably also disproportionately inclined toward promiscuity—a consequence of people with bipolar disorder II being more likely to develop a romantic relationship with and have a child with someone of a different geographic population; this mental illness is more often accompanied by abnormal sexuality and has genetic correlates—which could account for your observation that the unattractive mixed-ancestry women are more successful with men”.
Absurd, just absurd. Erik Holland: one of the most racist people I’ve ever come across on the internet. Do you really think no one sees or notices it? As Nullpointer said: You have a hidden agenda.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 09:24 Bob The aesthetics of the buttocks in the white female

"but I cannot have sex with her because she has a butt that is senile".

This your problem, not hers. You are trying to make your wife get surgery to change her appearance so you can have sex with her. Please kill yourself now. You are a bad person.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 01:18 Erik Self-esteem issues related to the feminine beauty site

Lily: The intention is not to denigrate certain looks, but you have identified language issues where denigration is suggested. The moustache observation is not one of these, but references to an eunuchoid appearance and sexiness can certainly be written in a more neutral manner, and I corrected these problems.

Gross in “gross masculinization” does not necessarily mean “inspiring disgust or distaste” as gross is also a reference to “glaringly noticeable,” the intended meaning, but the wording was a bad choice. There was an instance of it on a separate page that I corrected after being pointed to it some years ago, but this one escaped my attention, and I got rid of gross.

Nothing here implies that women’s self-esteem should be dependent on pronouncements by others. It is what it is, in some cases more dependent on feedback from others or less. Your assertion that “we know all women are overly emotional hysterics” has nothing to do with any argument of mine.

On whether women pick apart men’s looks, they are especially particular about height, much more so than men, and when they are not particular about looks, they compensate for it in the emphasis on financial health, social rank and other characteristics.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 20:35 Dafuq The aesthetics of the buttocks in the white female

You are seriously looking on this site for ass?

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 18:32 stacey A clarification on the minutiae of physical attractiveness

How was this research done? Because I really don't believe women in the Guyana's have an a-cup on average. Neither do I believe women in the carribeans have a-cups on average. Do not believe this world map is valid it all. A D-cup in one country could be a B in another.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 17:39 frogotmypreviou... The importance of femininity to beauty in women

"I am not promoting a feminine beauty standard because of the impossibility of achieving it but because of its aesthetic appeal to myself".

Yes, Erick, we know now. We know you like white, Nordic women with narrow noses, narrow faces and light skin.

There was a time when Roman soldiers brought in Northern European slave women, and notwithstanding their slave status, the men lusted after them, and the women were envious and tried to make themselves more Nordic-looking.

Yes, Erick. We already know that. You've already posted this 5 times in other topics. You like white, Nordic women. They, to you are the most attractive women on this whole entire planet. You want to preserve this race, as you see race mixing with either blacks, asians, or hispanics as the downfall of the white race. We know.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 16:44 boy Satoshi Kanazawa on the physical attractiveness of blacks

"This site is primarily targeting a Western audience given that its goals have little to no relevance for non-European populations".

Why on earth would you write an article about black people and attractiveness? For what purpose? So that white, insecure women can feel better about themselves?

Rick, you are racist, and biased, and you know it. You are one of the worst I have ever come across in my entire life.