But if her jawline and cheekbones are powerfully built then why have you put up women that have these looks.Such as Lilian Rose,nicky case,Rose byrne,Luciana Vendramini and Veronika Zemanova.Are there faces powerfully built to?
I know i had that same idea in my head when i put it up but i could not find very good pics of her anywhere.She did have her legs closed so i was happy haha.I just dont like all the gross posing is all.I dont mind the nude body as long it is shown in a more dignified manner.
last point. i actually think the fashion world should include women of all types of appearance, body shape and height. it's much more healthy and lets face it, i think the designers would reap the rewards in the end in higher profits. Many are missing a total market by excluding and alienating complete sects of different groups of women. I will not buy certain designer brands for the mere fact that they will not design for women over a certain size. I also refuse to shop anymore at VS. Most of that has to do with the fact they they have switched their target market to the Tweens and Teens with their stupid Pink Line. BAck in the day VS used to market towards grown women, now it's all garbage and glitter crap for 15 years olds who shouldn't be wearing thongs to begin with (ok that is getting on a completely different topic)
Also, I think you smaller girls need to get a grip. You are all getting offended thinking that this site is indicating if you are small with small hips and breasts this means you are ugly and not feminine. you are not reading this site correctly and it's intent. You can be small with smaller features and still be feminine. you can be tall and thin and still be feminine. it just so happens the tall thin women picked for high fashion modeling are 99% of the time more on the masculine side, which I completely agree is because of the gay male domination in the field. What is sad is that women buy into this. they buy into this because lets face it, most women don't complete with men, they compete with other women. They want to fit in, so if the fasion industry is selling a concept and it's cool and glamorous to be part of the group, women will buy into the concept. the media has made women feel ugly, not good enough, which is evident with the plastic surgery craze, multiple articles in fashion magazine saying, "how to improve your looks" "how to be thinner" "how to shake off those extra 10 pounds" We are constantly being bombarded and then we are "sold" the extreme of what is considered beautiful by a select few. It's actually quiet disfunctional. And for women who may not have rounded features, do not fear, you an still be attractive. THink Sophia Loren. She was (and is) 100 times more beautiful and sexy than any of these VS models, but she has a somewhat angular jaw line and a bit of a sharper nose. however her shapliness and overall appearance of natural womanhood gave her so much more appeal than a Heidi Klum or Alessandra Ambrosio.
I have come across this site a few times, and actually am relieved that some people are finally starting to see what I see....this past century or so, how the media has warped and distorted feminine beauty and litearlly brainwashed the masses as to what is beautiful, when really what they are saying is beautiful is really not. Now I am not here to bash anyone, I actually like Heidi Klum. But as far as feminine beauty is concerned, she does not have that. I think many posters here are missing the point of this site. He is not bashing women, he is not trying to tell everyone who to think is beautiful. He is pointing out that sometime within the past 20, 30 maybe even 40 years, what was always considered feminine beauty, more rounded belly, rounded face, rounded features, is now considered fat, not striking, abdormal, etc. So many people here are getting defensive saying, Oh how can you say some of these nude models are pretty, they are average, and so on. He is not trying to say these models are prettier per say, but that the aesthetics of their features are more feminine. As a heterosexual woman who loves fashion, i find it despicable that the fashion world completely eliminates women with curves and rounded features and when they do show a woman who has breasts, 9 times out of 10 they are implants, or lip injections, or cheek injections. it's disgusting. Check out a website called Judgement of Paris. It's geared towaard plus size modeling, but their board topics and discussions are enlightening. All periods of history, Greek and Roman art, antiquity through baroque period through the early 20th century, considered voluptuous women the ideal. not FAT people, but rounded women, heavier or thinner. you can be thin with small breasts and still be feminine and heavier with beautiful porportions. I myself am Greek, and Greek women tend to have bigger breasts and butt and a rounded tummy and I wouldn't trade that for any of the VS models body types.
nicegirl: The model you linked to in #9 is feminine. Sienna Guillory appears about average in so far as masculinity-femininity goes. Whereas Sienna looks feminine in some pictures, this would be the northern European element in her giving the impression, a case of pseudo-femininity, not true femininity.
nicegirl: Thank you for your suggestions. I have pending tasks and will go over the suggestions when I have the time to add to or subtract from the attractive women section. It is strange that you would express your discomfort at the use of nude models and then link to women in various stages of undress.
Anyway, Amanda Seyfried is feminine and Megan Fox apparently has undergone significant cosmetic surgery, and I prefer to avoid using as examples of attractive women that to my knowledge have undergone a major cosmetic surgical procedure.
Annie: There is a girlish look element in some of the pictures of Karen Gillan, who is feminine. Maybe she has outgrown the girlish element or will continue to have less sharp features. I will take a closer look later. Thank you for your suggestion.
nicegirl: The robusticity in Brigitte Bardot’s face is around the eyes (the development of the bone in the brow region, the cheekbones). There is also some squaring of the chin and a powerfully built jawbone... note the lower jawbone where it approaches the neck.
This site targets European populations, which is why it does not focus on non-European women. Plenty of Eastern European women are shown in the context of attractive women; you just have to look closer as they are usually not very slavic looking.
How on earth did I fell on this body/gender policing website while searching about psychological impact of models? WTF.
You should NOT try to define for others whether or not they are feminine/masculine, or you're an ass.
No way, every friggin' page of this is like that: "gnagna, so and so isn't feminine as you can see, even if there was a need for that physical feature of models you could find more feminine so-featured people..."
You're not helping things change in fashion by solidifying gendered expectations. Then how, you ask? Look at Worn and other independent magazine in the same veins.
I really don't get why the author of this page takes the gay stance on female aesthetics.
1. Claiming that *his* taste is the baseline heterosexual taste could be totally wrong since attraction is subjective. What if it's the author's taste in women that is in fact, gay, and it is the media's that is 'normal' (if there even is such a thing?
2. I'm searching through the site to find non-european/eastern european examples of beauty, and I haven't found any yet.
How is it possible that there are no asians, african or afro carribean, southeast asians or arabs?
This site seems to be 100% skewed one way, which alone should be in indicator of extreeme bias.
Following the advice in this article, I've verified the facts here using Daz3D software (I'm not promoting any particular software here) where their Victoria or Genesis figure can be tweaked to our liking. As I change the parameters of the facial features, there are indeed size and positions of the mouth, eyes, nose, ears that are golden ratio correct (verified using Marquardt's mask), but somehow make the face not feel "right". Furthermore, after I render the results (photo-realistic rendering), the female faces always end up looking masculine or at best, ambiguous (to be politically correct, I have to say here that I have nothing against transvestites, I'm just not attracted to them). Maybe because the facial golden ratio was formulated by the Ancient Greeks based on male ratios of feminine beauty (or the other way around). Marquardt was just elaborating on the golden ratio idea.
But in Daz3D, when I shift some of the positions and sizes of eyes, nose, lips, etc, I can arrive at many combinations where the simulated 3D face looks very beautiful (my personal judgement as a sculptor/painter). Maybe as another exercise I should next simulate a "better" face ratio for Elizabeth Hurley, and give that to her plastic surgeon.
I am a male from Southeast Asia, brought up in France. So the faces I tend to be attracted to are the French Caucasian variety. But in the course of my life I have also been attracted to women of ALL races --even those labelled "minorities" (because Paris is a crossroad of cultures). In the end, I married a woman from my own country with a blend of Asian-Arabic features!
So. I offer my own elaboration for the conclusion to this article, that it is a matter of personal preference/taste, nothing to do with races. As cultures influence each other, an individual's preferences can be formed by these influences throughout his/her growth from childhood to adulthood.
I personally believe that in this world, a person appears beautiful to at least to one another person (his/her "soulmate"?). There is no such thing as ugly (well, perhaps I do have a very wide range of preference or tolerance). One culture's beauty is another's notion of ugliness, and vice versa. Besides, one should always look deeper into the other person's inner beauty, and not stay skin deep (sorry for the cliche).
I strongly promote Cross-CULTURAL marriages, to get rid of racial bigotry once and for all.
My Big Fat Geek wedding...
Jee you guys REEEAALLY can't accept that someone have the nerve to say that white women are beautiful now can you???
What's your problem anyway! YOU are making a fool out of yourself and strikes me as very very insecure, racist and full of hate!Get over yourself!
I really can't deiced if i think shes pretty or not. In this photo omg yes but ive seen so many others where she looks NOTHING like she does her. And she really looks aloot older then she is.
Lisa Welch is by far the most beautiful playmate ever. I wish Playboy would make note of my comments for I feel I am not the only one who feels this way. Today Playboy Playmates are not teh natural beauties they used to be. Instead, to be a playboy playmate, in todays standards, you must bleach your hair blonde, get a gang load of tattoos (tramp stamp included), get a fake boob job (which most the time its over kill) and have cosmetic surgery. When will playboy go back to the fundamentals of having natural beauties as playmates like Lisa Welch. She is totally natural and very attractive woman. Thank you.
I would have to agree longer limbs (legs & arms) to a shorter torso is more attractive in men and women, and I believe this is due to the fact that it is because it is more of an effective build. If you think about it the torso in relation to movement is the dead weight. The arms & legs are the levers that move us, if the torso is shorter aka lighter then we are able to move faster and are stronger in proportion to out wieght.
I've also been going on about this for 20 years since the whole 'heroin chic' thing started. Women are waking up - the increasing use of men to model women's clothing seems to display a pretty brazen hatred of female sexuality and beauty and it is not going unnoticed. Most women I know do feel very uncomfortable about it. But women are made so insecure by a relentless campaign against their natural curves that their view of female beauty has become very deformed. Even the most beautiful and in shape women I know are insecure about their looks.
Can you ever imagine men accepting a woman with breasts to be the right person to model male clothes?
Some women seem to think that because a guy is gay he can't be misogynistic - and yet the most unpleasant things I have ever heard said about women's bodies were said by a gay man.
I guess I'm one of the 10% who prefer protruding navels. I think they look fertile and assertive. A woman who exposes her "outie" has probably been teased about it in childhood and so must have developed some resoluteness if she still shows it off later in life. They are rarer and more distinctive than concave "innies." Also, a protruding navel usually requires lower body fat, which may indicate better cardiovascular health and thus a better chance of fertility and long life.
And on the feminine VS masculine page you show a feminine scull that has the same kind of jawline in fig 5.So whats up with this?I dont understand.
But if her jawline and cheekbones are powerfully built then why have you put up women that have these looks.Such as Lilian Rose,nicky case,Rose byrne,Luciana Vendramini and Veronika Zemanova.Are there faces powerfully built to?
I know i had that same idea in my head when i put it up but i could not find very good pics of her anywhere.She did have her legs closed so i was happy haha.I just dont like all the gross posing is all.I dont mind the nude body as long it is shown in a more dignified manner.
Thankyou very much Erik:)
last point. i actually think the fashion world should include women of all types of appearance, body shape and height. it's much more healthy and lets face it, i think the designers would reap the rewards in the end in higher profits. Many are missing a total market by excluding and alienating complete sects of different groups of women. I will not buy certain designer brands for the mere fact that they will not design for women over a certain size. I also refuse to shop anymore at VS. Most of that has to do with the fact they they have switched their target market to the Tweens and Teens with their stupid Pink Line. BAck in the day VS used to market towards grown women, now it's all garbage and glitter crap for 15 years olds who shouldn't be wearing thongs to begin with (ok that is getting on a completely different topic)
Also, I think you smaller girls need to get a grip. You are all getting offended thinking that this site is indicating if you are small with small hips and breasts this means you are ugly and not feminine. you are not reading this site correctly and it's intent. You can be small with smaller features and still be feminine. you can be tall and thin and still be feminine. it just so happens the tall thin women picked for high fashion modeling are 99% of the time more on the masculine side, which I completely agree is because of the gay male domination in the field. What is sad is that women buy into this. they buy into this because lets face it, most women don't complete with men, they compete with other women. They want to fit in, so if the fasion industry is selling a concept and it's cool and glamorous to be part of the group, women will buy into the concept. the media has made women feel ugly, not good enough, which is evident with the plastic surgery craze, multiple articles in fashion magazine saying, "how to improve your looks" "how to be thinner" "how to shake off those extra 10 pounds" We are constantly being bombarded and then we are "sold" the extreme of what is considered beautiful by a select few. It's actually quiet disfunctional. And for women who may not have rounded features, do not fear, you an still be attractive. THink Sophia Loren. She was (and is) 100 times more beautiful and sexy than any of these VS models, but she has a somewhat angular jaw line and a bit of a sharper nose. however her shapliness and overall appearance of natural womanhood gave her so much more appeal than a Heidi Klum or Alessandra Ambrosio.
I have come across this site a few times, and actually am relieved that some people are finally starting to see what I see....this past century or so, how the media has warped and distorted feminine beauty and litearlly brainwashed the masses as to what is beautiful, when really what they are saying is beautiful is really not. Now I am not here to bash anyone, I actually like Heidi Klum. But as far as feminine beauty is concerned, she does not have that. I think many posters here are missing the point of this site. He is not bashing women, he is not trying to tell everyone who to think is beautiful. He is pointing out that sometime within the past 20, 30 maybe even 40 years, what was always considered feminine beauty, more rounded belly, rounded face, rounded features, is now considered fat, not striking, abdormal, etc. So many people here are getting defensive saying, Oh how can you say some of these nude models are pretty, they are average, and so on. He is not trying to say these models are prettier per say, but that the aesthetics of their features are more feminine. As a heterosexual woman who loves fashion, i find it despicable that the fashion world completely eliminates women with curves and rounded features and when they do show a woman who has breasts, 9 times out of 10 they are implants, or lip injections, or cheek injections. it's disgusting. Check out a website called Judgement of Paris. It's geared towaard plus size modeling, but their board topics and discussions are enlightening. All periods of history, Greek and Roman art, antiquity through baroque period through the early 20th century, considered voluptuous women the ideal. not FAT people, but rounded women, heavier or thinner. you can be thin with small breasts and still be feminine and heavier with beautiful porportions. I myself am Greek, and Greek women tend to have bigger breasts and butt and a rounded tummy and I wouldn't trade that for any of the VS models body types.
Godis misses the point yet again.
nicegirl: The model you linked to in #9 is feminine. Sienna Guillory appears about average in so far as masculinity-femininity goes. Whereas Sienna looks feminine in some pictures, this would be the northern European element in her giving the impression, a case of pseudo-femininity, not true femininity.
nicegirl: Thank you for your suggestions. I have pending tasks and will go over the suggestions when I have the time to add to or subtract from the attractive women section. It is strange that you would express your discomfort at the use of nude models and then link to women in various stages of undress.
Anyway, Amanda Seyfried is feminine and Megan Fox apparently has undergone significant cosmetic surgery, and I prefer to avoid using as examples of attractive women that to my knowledge have undergone a major cosmetic surgical procedure.
Annie: There is a girlish look element in some of the pictures of Karen Gillan, who is feminine. Maybe she has outgrown the girlish element or will continue to have less sharp features. I will take a closer look later. Thank you for your suggestion.
nicegirl: The robusticity in Brigitte Bardot’s face is around the eyes (the development of the bone in the brow region, the cheekbones). There is also some squaring of the chin and a powerfully built jawbone... note the lower jawbone where it approaches the neck.
Alyssa: Attraction is subjective indeed, but most people share the same subjective preferences, which in the case of women is a preference for above average femininity: http://www.femininebeauty.info/aesthetics/femininity and http://www.femininebeauty.info/aesthetics/gender
This site targets European populations, which is why it does not focus on non-European women. Plenty of Eastern European women are shown in the context of attractive women; you just have to look closer as they are usually not very slavic looking.
How on earth did I fell on this body/gender policing website while searching about psychological impact of models? WTF.
You should NOT try to define for others whether or not they are feminine/masculine, or you're an ass.
No way, every friggin' page of this is like that: "gnagna, so and so isn't feminine as you can see, even if there was a need for that physical feature of models you could find more feminine so-featured people..."
You're not helping things change in fashion by solidifying gendered expectations. Then how, you ask? Look at Worn and other independent magazine in the same veins.
I really don't get why the author of this page takes the gay stance on female aesthetics.
1. Claiming that *his* taste is the baseline heterosexual taste could be totally wrong since attraction is subjective. What if it's the author's taste in women that is in fact, gay, and it is the media's that is 'normal' (if there even is such a thing?
2. I'm searching through the site to find non-european/eastern european examples of beauty, and I haven't found any yet.
How is it possible that there are no asians, african or afro carribean, southeast asians or arabs?
This site seems to be 100% skewed one way, which alone should be in indicator of extreeme bias.
Can we rectify this?
Following the advice in this article, I've verified the facts here using Daz3D software (I'm not promoting any particular software here) where their Victoria or Genesis figure can be tweaked to our liking. As I change the parameters of the facial features, there are indeed size and positions of the mouth, eyes, nose, ears that are golden ratio correct (verified using Marquardt's mask), but somehow make the face not feel "right". Furthermore, after I render the results (photo-realistic rendering), the female faces always end up looking masculine or at best, ambiguous (to be politically correct, I have to say here that I have nothing against transvestites, I'm just not attracted to them). Maybe because the facial golden ratio was formulated by the Ancient Greeks based on male ratios of feminine beauty (or the other way around). Marquardt was just elaborating on the golden ratio idea.
But in Daz3D, when I shift some of the positions and sizes of eyes, nose, lips, etc, I can arrive at many combinations where the simulated 3D face looks very beautiful (my personal judgement as a sculptor/painter). Maybe as another exercise I should next simulate a "better" face ratio for Elizabeth Hurley, and give that to her plastic surgeon.
I am a male from Southeast Asia, brought up in France. So the faces I tend to be attracted to are the French Caucasian variety. But in the course of my life I have also been attracted to women of ALL races --even those labelled "minorities" (because Paris is a crossroad of cultures). In the end, I married a woman from my own country with a blend of Asian-Arabic features!
So. I offer my own elaboration for the conclusion to this article, that it is a matter of personal preference/taste, nothing to do with races. As cultures influence each other, an individual's preferences can be formed by these influences throughout his/her growth from childhood to adulthood.
I personally believe that in this world, a person appears beautiful to at least to one another person (his/her "soulmate"?). There is no such thing as ugly (well, perhaps I do have a very wide range of preference or tolerance). One culture's beauty is another's notion of ugliness, and vice versa. Besides, one should always look deeper into the other person's inner beauty, and not stay skin deep (sorry for the cliche).
I strongly promote Cross-CULTURAL marriages, to get rid of racial bigotry once and for all.
My Big Fat Geek wedding...
nicegirl: Sorry, I will answer you over the next couple of days.
Erik now that you seem to be back on con you please answer me?
Jee you guys REEEAALLY can't accept that someone have the nerve to say that white women are beautiful now can you???
What's your problem anyway! YOU are making a fool out of yourself and strikes me as very very insecure, racist and full of hate!Get over yourself!
I really can't deiced if i think shes pretty or not. In this photo omg yes but ive seen so many others where she looks NOTHING like she does her. And she really looks aloot older then she is.
Lisa Welch is by far the most beautiful playmate ever. I wish Playboy would make note of my comments for I feel I am not the only one who feels this way. Today Playboy Playmates are not teh natural beauties they used to be. Instead, to be a playboy playmate, in todays standards, you must bleach your hair blonde, get a gang load of tattoos (tramp stamp included), get a fake boob job (which most the time its over kill) and have cosmetic surgery. When will playboy go back to the fundamentals of having natural beauties as playmates like Lisa Welch. She is totally natural and very attractive woman. Thank you.
I would have to agree longer limbs (legs & arms) to a shorter torso is more attractive in men and women, and I believe this is due to the fact that it is because it is more of an effective build. If you think about it the torso in relation to movement is the dead weight. The arms & legs are the levers that move us, if the torso is shorter aka lighter then we are able to move faster and are stronger in proportion to out wieght.
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Are you male or female? So a man who likes women is a "chubby chaser" is he? Why do you hate women so much?
I've also been going on about this for 20 years since the whole 'heroin chic' thing started. Women are waking up - the increasing use of men to model women's clothing seems to display a pretty brazen hatred of female sexuality and beauty and it is not going unnoticed. Most women I know do feel very uncomfortable about it. But women are made so insecure by a relentless campaign against their natural curves that their view of female beauty has become very deformed. Even the most beautiful and in shape women I know are insecure about their looks.
Can you ever imagine men accepting a woman with breasts to be the right person to model male clothes?
Some women seem to think that because a guy is gay he can't be misogynistic - and yet the most unpleasant things I have ever heard said about women's bodies were said by a gay man.
I guess I'm one of the 10% who prefer protruding navels. I think they look fertile and assertive. A woman who exposes her "outie" has probably been teased about it in childhood and so must have developed some resoluteness if she still shows it off later in life. They are rarer and more distinctive than concave "innies." Also, a protruding navel usually requires lower body fat, which may indicate better cardiovascular health and thus a better chance of fertility and long life.
She is the most gorgeous woman is the universe. That expression makes her look so hot.
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