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Tue, 12/12/2006 - 09:51 Marta Fernandes The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

There's only one problem with all that's written on this website, femininity isn't synonym of beauty. Just because a woman is less feminine than another doesn't mean she can't be more beautiful. Saying a woman isn't particularly beautiful (or not beautiful at all) simply because she's not particularly feminine is nothing but prejudice.

Mon, 12/11/2006 - 17:26 Erik The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

Karen: Go through the attractive women section carefully; you will encounter plenty of women that do not have large breasts; some of them have small breasts and some are even slightly masculine. In this entry alone, Maria and Renee do not have large breasts, and Maria is no doubt very appealing to heterosexual men. Large breasts are neither necessary nor sufficient for attractiveness/sex appeal.

You should not let other people tell you what is sexy. If you like what you see in the mirror, you look good regardless of what others say. If you don’t like what you see, there are some things you could do to improve your looks and hopefully accept what you cannot change.

If you have an interest in what the general public and lifetime-exclusive heterosexual men in particular find appealing in the looks of women, then you will find lots of useful information here, but this site is not about, “look, this is what is sexy...” The major problem that this site is addressing is the lack of mainstream appreciation of feminine beauty, which is not to say that feminine models should be ubiquitous. There are scenarios where feminine beauty would not be appropriate. If one needed a female model for marketing an athletic product, an attractive woman who looks like an athlete would be the best choice, and I would not recommend, let alone insist that a curvaceous feminine woman be used. However, this series on Victoria’s Secret models is just one of many scenarios where feminine and attractive curvy women are required but one observes masculinized women instead. It is inappropriate to use manly women with fake breasts when feminine women with naturally prominent breasts are required and available in large numbers.

As far as my preferences go, lifetime-exclusive heterosexual men are born with a strong interest in feminine beauty and have a right to insist that there be some mainstream appreciation of it. It is shameful that heterosexual men have to turn to adult-oriented sites to find examples of feminine beauty. It should not be this way. Beauty pageants, lingerie catalogs, swimsuit magazines and at least some mainstream modeling agencies should provide examples of feminine beauty galore, but there is nothing close to this scenario. I’ll be damned if I am unable to do anything about this.

This site is about other issues, too. The high status of skinny high-fashion models has created problems other than those involving aesthetics, and these problems can be lessened by addressing the reasons behind why high-fashion models look the way they do and the promotion of feminine beauty.

Mon, 12/11/2006 - 16:01 karen The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

"A young adult attractive non-overweight woman who has breast that are ready to burst out of her clothing is a sight for sore eyes as far as the typical heterosexual man is concerned...praise be to the Gods for creating such women...Amen!"

I'm getting the feeling that you created this site just because YOU want to see girls with huge boobs/butts strutting down the runways with hardly any clothing on. It seems like the women you call sexy need a tiny waist, big boobs, or/and a big booty. Since I don't possess any of those should I refrain from feeling sexy and confident about my body? Thanks a lot.

Mon, 12/11/2006 - 14:01 Erik The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

Ria: The notion of normality in my previous comment is one of central tendency in the population, as should be evident from the context. Medical considerations are not relevant since women with physical defects will not be used as models in a glamorous setting. Consider an analogy from height. A healthy and naturally tall 6-foot-5 German woman would be an outlier and not statistically normal but will be medically normal. Non-overweight and non-skinny Northern/Central European women do not typically have backsides as flattened as in Heidi Klum, which should be common observation.

If Heidi gains 30 pounds over the frame shown in the pictures, her backside will indeed be more protruding, but her waist will become a lot bigger, too, and she would look flabby and still remain less appealing from the perspective of feminine beauty. Note that both Maria and Renee are on the slender side but have a more prominent backside than a slender Heidi Klum.

Mon, 12/11/2006 - 13:43 Erik Welcome!

Sara: I don’t see any woman shown in the attractive women section that looks underage; the nude ones have to be at least 18 for legal purposes. There are two or three models in this section with faces that suggest an age less than 18, but these faces do not look younger than 16, and one look at the physiques of the women and there is no doubt that they are 18-plus. A combination of femininity and fine facial features can make women’s faces look a little younger.

I do not know what you find gross/badly shaped in most of the women shown in the attractive women section. Perhaps their femininity, but if so, then your preferences are very different from that of the majority of humans.

Nowhere have I talked about the choice of mainstream female models being corrupted by homosexual pedophiles; homosexual pederasts is more like it, and non-pederast homosexuals are also implicated. Pedophiles prefer pre-pubescents, and pederasts are men who prefer teenage or younger boys. In other words, homosexual pedophiles are pederasts, but pederasts are not necessarily homosexual pedophiles. The top ranks of the fashion business are dominated by homosexual men, many of whom aesthetically prefer the looks of adolescent boys.

I did not say anything about obtaining the pictures of the women shown in the attractive women section from porn sites; I have said that I obtained them from adult-oriented sources. Many adult-oriented sources feature artistic nudity but no pornography. I have obtained pictures from many artistic nudity sites, and these sites do not focus on genitals like Penthouse does, i.e., they are more acceptable from the perspective of the general public than Penthouse is. I have shown two Penthouse models, too. I have also shown a model from the men’s publication, Savvy, shown a Playboy model, and will be adding a couple more Playboy models. I have used miscellaneous sources.

Partner age preferences vary among homosexual men; some prefer pre-pubescent boys, others prefer teenage boys, some prefer adult men and some prefer males from two or more of these groups. Therefore, it should not be surprising that there are well-built masculine male models out there. On the other hand, male homosexual fashion designers with an aesthetic preference for adolescent boys have at least two constraints when it comes to potentially using adolescent males as models: 1) their sexuality would be a dead giveaway if the male models look too young since it is well known that the general male public overwhelmingly prefers masculine looks in men and 2) the general male public is so set about the desirability of macho looks that it would be poor marketing to use adolescent males. Women are more manipulable than men when it comes to what desirable looks are about, and homosexual fashion designers are also better able to get away with skinny and masculine teenage girls that approximate the looks of adolescent boys because it is obvious that homosexual men have an interest in males, not females, and they and other fashion industry personnel could come up with various excuses -- such as the clothes hangar argument -- to explain the looks of their female fashion models.

On the other hand, in case you did not know, the extent of masculinity desired in men by women is generally less than what heterosexual men desire in themselves. Hence, there are plenty of male models that are on the effeminate side with respect to their physiques as far as many heterosexual men are concerned, though you might still consider them to be well built.

Mon, 12/11/2006 - 01:50 sara Welcome!

three questions:
(1)why do all of the girls that are supposed to be examples of feminine beauty look underage? I'm a female, but I think I can pick out attractive women and most of the women in the gallery look gross and in bad shape.
(2)how can you say that the only place you could find feminine models that hadn't been currrupted by homesexual pedophiles' idea of beauty in on porn sites? what about penthouse? or just about any other men's magazine?
(3)why are there so many well built male models if homosexual designers prefer an adolescent boy look? What about Bruce Weber or Michaelangelo?

Mon, 12/11/2006 - 01:44 sara Welcome!

two questions:
(1)why do all of the girls that are supposed to be examples of feminine beauty look underage? I'm a female, but I think I can pick out attractive women and most of the women in the gallery look gross and in bad shape.
(2)how can you say that the only place you could find feminine models that hadn't been currrupted by homesexual pedophiles' idea of beauty was on porn sites? what about penthouse? or just about any other men's magazine?

Mon, 12/11/2006 - 00:57 Ria The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

"I too have seen nothern european women with flattened backsides, but they are not normal'

i'd like to know exactly how you can discern what is 'NORMAL' in the female figure?

anything slight of clinically deformed or surgically advanced... is pretty 'normal'
genetics are differen't in different people.

its one thing to say that some one looks more masculine or feminine.. or better than someone else..

but nobody can say what is 'normal'
nobody is perfect.
and with 30extra lbs. Heidi Klum would have a bigger backside like your other models.

Sun, 12/10/2006 - 22:58 sheila The influence of the thin ideal in fashion magazines on women at risk for anorexia

thank you very much for this post. it is very informative. i've been thinking about this such topic alot lately. it pains me to see how many women and some men have developed eatting disorders due to the images splashed across tabloids and tv shows. i have struggled w/ such issues of body image and disordered eatting patterns for over a decade. finally i'm understanding that my life is worth more then a dress size.

thank you for this site. keep doing what you are doing. we must ban together and fight against this impossible ideal.

Sat, 12/09/2006 - 23:11 Erik Is it possible to objectively compare the attractiveness of women from different populations?

d’Artagnan: To respond to your first point, I have already mentioned that the female skeleton is closer to that of children on multiple counts compared to the male skeleton, but this does not imply that there is anything pedomorphic about the adult female skeleton. The process of sexual maturity makes both men and women deviate from children; the deviation is just greater for men.

Regarding your second point, I have told you many times that I have used a study presenting data on 112 populations, which is a grouping that is much more detailed than the 36 groupings you have been talking about. I have mentioned the names of the individual populations that I have addressed; the study presents the data on individual populations throughout East Asia. Quit accusing me of lumping too many populations, thereby leading to incorrect conclusions.

Apart from citing literature showing what you call pedomorphic features to be differential retention of ancestral features, thereby also partly undermining your notion of humans being more pedomorphic than the ancestral species, I have also mentioned larger faces and larger jaws in East Asiatic populations, which hardly sound pedomorphic by your reasoning. Note that I have specifically cited data on the “Nesids” having larger jaws and larger teeth in spite of their smaller size.

As to why I have not shown masculinized “Nesid” women, haven’t you understood yet that this site is targeting a Western audience? Why should I illustrate my arguments for “Nesid” women, too? You do it at your own website.

My response to points a-j by you:

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a. Denial of the femininity-paedomorphosis equation – There is no denial of reality; just a refutation of your absurd ideas.

b. Denial of the distinct about 36 human races – I have not denied this notion; I have ignored it; it is irrelevant to this part of the site.

c. Denial of the fact that one should only compare the most typical (sub)races - What in the world? One can compare any group with any other, and of all possible comparisons, one will involve the groups that you would consider to be “the most typical (sub)races.” But, the latter has not proven your notions about femininity/pedomorphosis, etc. The most masculine East Asians, according to you, are found in Northeast Asia, but they also have the flattest mid-faces among East Asians, and it is curious how they can be more feminine/pedomorphic on this count than the “Nesids.”

d. Claiming some features on allometry, but what is with the irreducible ones? - This is nonsense. Allometry refers to shape change as a function of size, and it has not been an issue in our discussion other than me saying that to assess shape variation resulting from masculinization-feminization, it is necessary to control for confounds such as allometry.

e. Claiming obscure origins of traits (Pleisticene, primitivity) to avoid a necessary classification on the feminine-masculine scale - Obscure claims? I have cited evidence; fossil evidence for more or less flattened mid-faces in Late Pleistocene samples from around the world, and fossil evidence plus canonical variates analysis for variation along the ancestral-to-derived discriminant.

f. Ad hominem: An Ad hominem argument involves attacking the opponent's character rather than answering his argument. I have extensively responded to your arguments with current citations and plenty of evidence. Many of your arguments justify questioning your sanity. For instance, when you, concerned about white preservation, argue that this site will make Northern Europeans disappear quickly because it will prompt Northern European men to end up with Northern European women rather than East Asian women, it is reasonable to question your sanity. I have also had to repeat many of my arguments in response to your raising the same points over and over again. I have also asked you to stop commenting here repeatedly, but you have not listened. In your latest comment, you have accused me of believing Asians to be inferior and subhuman! Therefore, is it unreasonable to question your sanity? Evidence-based refutation of an opponent’s argument followed by questioning his sanity does not constitute ad hominem.

Your arguments on the other hand qualify as ad hominem. You have been unable to refute my citations, which are much more current than yours, and have accused me of espousing pseudo science, suspected me to be a Jew, and accused me of harboring a “Nordish fetish” and having a Nazi-esque worldview (which supposedly inclines me to want to gas the mentally ill), among other things.

For your information, much as you cite being a high-profile anthropologist with 50 years of experience, scientific arguments are made by citing evidence, not credentials, and your evidence is atrocious and outdated.

g. Denial of the femininity of the Nesids-Mongolids which is an insult to Asian womanhood - I have done no such thing. I have pointed out that masculine and feminine women exist in all populations, and that your notion of “Nesids” being the most feminine does not follow from the evidence that you have cited, as evident from research much more current than your citations.

h. Denial of a Jewish subversion in the social sciences which nearly destroyed all good anthropology - I have said that political events in the twentieth century removed the kind of terminology you favor, but that this did not affect physical anthropology research in the long run. I have cited a lot of cool anthropological research within this site that you have been unaware of, and there is a lot more where it comes from, but understanding these papers requires a technical background that you obviously lack and thankfully also the typical physical-anthropology-hating leftist. Physical anthropology has flourished. You have been stuck in decades-old literature and have missed the progress of the field.

Hanihara did not fudge up the data on East Asian skulls; their mid-facial flattening is evident in his data.

i. Relationships are about power and the wish to penetrate or to be penetrated. - The wish to penetrate/be penetrated is related to sexuality, not a relationship; one can indulge in a sex act without being involved in a relationship. To the extent that a relationship is about power, it is about a healthy balance of power between the partners. Once again, do not forget love, friendship, respect, trust, cooperation and other elements of long-term successful relationships.

j. The Nazis had long-time plans to breed an Eurasian super race - As a first approximation this is nonsense. I will only believe this if I see evidence.

I know you have a problem with “viragos,” and I hope that they come after you. It will be cool to see you being spooked by them. My advice to you is that the proper way of dealing with “viragos” is to bitch-slap them when they give you trouble.

Anyway, the comments facility here is provided as a privilege to you, and you have abused it more than enough. You do not have a right to leave comments here. You have bothered me too much. The best way for you to disseminate your ideas is to set up your own website and promote it. If you hadn’t frustrated me and were a knowledgeable anthropologist I could have helped you set up a website and put in my own contributions. Imagine a website dedicated to explaining physical anthropology to the masses in layperson terms, richly illustrated with pictures like this site...it would be a cool site, but you will have to do this on your own/find someone else to do it. Goodbye Mr. d’Artagnan.

Sat, 12/09/2006 - 19:58 Erik The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 1

Rachel: There is no pretence here that everyone is being spoken for. The issue is lingerie modeling. The great majority of people will agree that manly women with fake breasts are not appropriate as lingerie models; look at evidence that the general public strongly and overwhelmingly prefers above average femininity in women. The male homosexual fashion designers that select manly lingerie models have their own [anomalous] preferences; they are not willing to tolerate anything beyond the minimum amount of femininity that it takes to get the job done. If this minimum femininity can be achieved via fraudulent means, namely breast implants and posing tricks, then the homosexuals will gladly avoid feminine models.

Daniella: Most women, like most men, prefer above average femininity in the looks of women; see the link cited in my reply to Rachel. Therefore, if the selection of fashion models is based on the central tendency of public preferences, then the central tendency among fashion models would be to manifest above average femininity, but this is far from the case. On the other hand, this entry is not about modeling fashion wear; it is about lingerie. As per the discussion toward the beginning of this entry, there is no way the use of manly women with fake breasts can be justified for lingerie modeling unless it is from the perspective of a very atypical minority, which in our case comprises of the gays that dominate the fashion business.

Besides, the source of the pictures of the woman that Karolina Kurkova is compared to, Zuzana, is irrelevant; what matters is how Zuzana looks and that Zuzana’s looks are appropriate for lingerie modeling.

Once again, the criticism here is not about the looks of Karolina Kurkova but the circumstances/people that have led to her modeling lingerie in a high profile setting. Yes, Karolina was born masculinized, but she is not appropriate for high profile lingerie modeling anymore than someone born with poor athletic ability has any business participating in a high profile athletic competition.

Sat, 12/09/2006 - 19:44 Erik The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

Kristin: There is no way airbrushing of the cited pictures is giving an illusion of breast implants.

Madeline: Lingerie models are supposed to be selected for looks that would please heterosexual men. Recall from a previous discussion that women buy lingerie to make themselves more pleasing to their male partners, and these will typically be lifetime-exclusive heterosexual. A young adult attractive non-overweight woman who has breast that are ready to burst out of her clothing is a sight for sore eyes as far as the typical heterosexual man is concerned...praise be to the Gods for creating such women...Amen! Anyway, the woman whom you find objectionable is only offered as a sharp contrast to Heidi’s image above it; she is not compared to Heidi as the other women are. It is curious why you did not comment on Heidi’s exposed image; she looks like a man with breasts/breast implants. Who is supposed to find this pleasing?

As far as what women would want to look like goes, if you are a heterosexual woman, you should realize that it is in the best interests of a heterosexual woman to have looks that greatly please the majority of heterosexual men since then she will be able to attract a lot of men and have her pick; the more the choice, the more selective one can be.

Maria is not 14; she is at least 18, which she has to be or else it would be illegal to show her nude. Maria also looks a lot more mature than 14-year-old Miley Cyrus and clearly has the body of an adult woman. All pictures comparing Heidi and Maria except the first one feature a young Heidi Klum, i.e., the age difference is a couple of years at most, which is not relevant. Note that Heidi’s pre-breast-implants picture, obviously from her early modeling days, clearly shows a much more manly physique than Maria’s. I do not know when Heidi’s picture in the first comparison with Maria was shot, but it is unlikely to be very recent, and may be a few years old.

On the other hand, even though women become more masculine as they age, a feminine woman in her early twenties does not turn into a masculine one in her early thirties. Look around; you will see middle aged women that look a lot more feminine than Heidi at any age in the 18-33 range.

Morph: You ignore clear photographic evidence of overall masculinization, and bring in waist-to-hip ratio to argue that Heidi is feminine. Remarkable! Read the last row of this table to understand why waist-to-hip ratios in the neighborhood of 0.70 in high-fashion models, if truthfully reported, do not imply femininity.

Sat, 12/09/2006 - 12:23 Daniella The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 1

-I agree with Rachel. Also, I know more women with charateristics similar to the runway models than the women you are posting. Remember that models aren't really meant to just please men, they are to model clothing that normal women might want to buy. I, personally, would rather see clothing on a woman with charateristics similar to mine than some girl from a porn site.

-Plus, you're critizing parts of models that they were born with(broad ribcage, broad shoulders, ect). They're just playing the cards they were dealt and deserve to be as beautiful and successful as the feminine girls.

Please respond; I would hate to think that my impression of this site is how it's really supposed to be:)

Sat, 12/09/2006 - 09:02 Rachel The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 1

Different ppl have diff taste, some ppl might actually like wat u all hate, so ur not speaking for everyone.

Sat, 12/09/2006 - 00:14 Kristin The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

theey often lie about the measurements of models--point blank... ther eis jsut no way alesandar has measurements taht mimic monica belucci's bpdy that much--- c'mon. its liek when they said brigette bardot had a 19 inch waist---lies.

Fri, 12/08/2006 - 18:31 madeline The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

actually, alessandra has a .67 ratio.

Fri, 12/08/2006 - 18:01 madeline The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

agreed with morph. although heidi has a masculine face, her body isn't, and neither is alessandra's. her waist to hip ratio is around .7 as well, according to wikipedia (34-23-34)

Fri, 12/08/2006 - 13:00 Morph The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

Actually, given their measurements (hip/waist), both Heidi and Dana have a hip/waist ratio of .70 which is more than most european women ( see your own site - http://www.femininebeauty.info/aesthetics.5.htm) so your conclusions about Heidi's masculinity are off base, frankly. She should appear more feminine than average, with her hip to waist ratio.

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Fri, 12/08/2006 - 07:38 d'Artagnan Is it possible to objectively compare the attractiveness of women from different populations?

1.) concerning women on somatic sexual dimorphism: "besitzen ein grazileres, rundlicheres Gesicht mit weniger vorpsringendem Profil und eine geringere Stirnneigung." "have a more gracile, more round face
with a less protruding facial profile." Knußmann, manual, 2.ed.,p.227,ISBN 3-437-25040-X; ibidem (page 232 ): "in vielen Merkmalen weicht die Frau vom
Mann in derselben Richtung ab wie das Kind vom Erwachsenen" "in a multitude of respects women are similar to children, in contrast to male humans";
e.g. the rounder faces of children see p. 174
2.) As the Nesids are much more feminine the most typical race concerning the Mongolid-typical paedomorphosis, you "lumped" together the data to present a much more masculine Mongolids ;
Knußmann (p. 413) presents the Nordid race as the most typical Europids , so by the way only those
should be compared as typical Europids concerning
paedomorphosis; why are only European masculinized
women on your page , haven't you found e.g. Nesids? Why do you not put my Nesid examples as
masculinized on your page ?
You say that being not masculine does not mean that someone is feminine. Is there a tertium ? Funny.Again, your strategies were:
a) denial of the equation femininity-paedomorphosis
b) denial of the distinct about 36 human races
c) denial of the fact that one should only compare
the most typical (sub)races
d) claiming some features on allometry , but what
is with the irreducible ones ?
e) claiming obscure origins of traits (Pleisticene, primitivity) to avoid a necessary classification on the
feminine - masculine scale
f) using ad hominem attacks, calling me , a high-profile anthropologists with more than 50 years of experience a mentally-ill, which in your Nazi-esque worldview means gassing of course
g) denial of the femininity of the Nesids-Mongolids which is an insult to Asian womanhood. Take a bit Baker and then you can say:
Look, not only are the Asians inferior races not
able to produce something like the 4 autothonous Europid civilizations ,but even their gals are masculine (a typical Germanic feature by the way which underlay Germany's WW2 efforts according to Jean Ph. Rushton). Are they subhumans ?
h) denial of a Jewish nssubversion in the social sciences which nearly destroyed all good anthropology. Hanihara is obviously in the Boasian
tradition who does not feel the paedormorphosis
flattering for the Japanese
i) relationsships are about power and the wish to penetrate or to be penetrated.The virago promisuity
trickily masks the higher homosexual tendencies;
"she will behave submissive when necessary". Very interesting . When the physical and psychical powers of "her"are not sufficient to subtly terrorize her environment, she will make use of a
brain-washed leftist , who will do for her what "she" dictates
j) the Nazis had long-time plans to breed an Eurasian superrace (see e.g. Ahnenerbe TIbet expedition) , the documents are top-secret and not catalogued at all in the NARA or elsewhere . As I have these original documents , I can tell you , that even the Nazis knew about the dangers of the Nordic viragos in the long-run

Thu, 12/07/2006 - 23:53 madeline The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

the girl maria is really cute, but she looks like the 14 year old miley cyrus. you can't really compare a younger girl like her to heidi klum because they are like 20 years apart. as a woman gets older her face gets more masculine.

the woman at the very top with the enormous breats wearing the lingerie is not fit to model lingerie; her breasts can't even be fitted into what she's wearing. they look like two oversized, deformed water balloons. no one would even want to look at that in catalogues or posters (well except for you). that's just gross. i don't think any woman would want to look like that, so it's obviously a bad choice to choose her as a lingerie model.

Thu, 12/07/2006 - 22:03 Kristin The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

lastly all the pics where her breasts look very large are heavily airbrushed. they often add on a full cup size with shading.

Thu, 12/07/2006 - 20:56 Erik The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

Kristin: I, too, have seen Northern European women with flattened backsides, but they are not normal. There is variation within any population, and one needs to consider the central tendency in a population in order to determine where a given individual lies on the trait distribution curve. The central tendency of backside protrusion among Northern/Central European women is nowhere as flattened as in Heidi Klum. Heidi Klum also has a much heavier bone structure than the norm among German women. Besides, Heidi Klum is probably a Northern-Central mix rather than a classic Northern European type. The appearance of fake breasts varies, but look at the two photos cited in the previous comment and you should see clear photographic evidence that Heidi has breast implants. One of the photos shows a masculine woman with little body fat except possibly a lot in her breasts, a highly unlikely outcome, but then her breasts are fake.

Thu, 12/07/2006 - 20:14 Kristin The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 5

i am not trying to be blunt---but i have spotted so many northern european women with flat, wide rear ends, that i think she just may not have been as blessed as some other girls. her ribs are narrow in proporttion to her hips, and usually fake boobs have a weird space in the middle put in. german girls in particular tend to have broad flat hips--- slightly bigger boned in the heidi sort of way. and there are a good amt of women with low body fat and sizeable breasts... to some degree the boob stuff is all speculation. no proof.
her face a lil hard. i will admit that.

Thu, 12/07/2006 - 20:10 Erik The transsexual parade otherwise known as the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show: part 2

Henry: Lesbians tend to be masculinized, and a number of their behaviors, though natural for them, come across as if they are trying to act in a masculine manner, which is bound to appear odd because they are atypical for women and lesbians are not men. As to why they disproportionately dislike males, there is no single answer. They have high rates of mental disorders for starters. Additionally, given their looks and atypical behaviors, some of them have had negative experiences in their interactions with men. Some of them may also be jealous of the natural masculinity of men.

Thu, 12/07/2006 - 19:54 Erik Is it possible to objectively compare the attractiveness of women from different populations?

d’Artagnan: Enough is enough! Please stop commenting here. This is not your site, and your comments are unwelcome.

I have not overlooked any of your evidence; you have simply reiterated what you pointed out previously, which is something that I have already addressed.

A summary of my previous response:

Quote:

1. This [old] notion of allegedly pedomorphic features in humans, as pointed out by you, is easily dismissed by modern evidence showing what you call pedomorphic facial features to be differential retention of ancestral features, and other evidence showing that the concept of neoteny does not apply to human face shape, with at most part of the regression of the jaw being neotenous, but then the jaw is more protruding in your “more feminine/pedomorphic” East Asian populations such as the “Nesids.”

2. The classification of human populations is not relevant to this discussion. The nature and extent of differences between human populations do not change regardless of what terminology and classification one uses. Some studies that I have cited provide data on individual populations, 112 in Hanihara’s study, i.e., there is no way you can accuse me of lumping together disparate populations and thereby making incorrect conclusions.

3. The algae stuff is irrelevant. One obviously expects the central tendency in a sexually dimorphic sexually reproducing population to be for the masculine to prefer the feminine. It does not follow though that Northern European men should somehow have any special attraction toward the supposedly more feminine East Asian women; most don’t, which is not attributable to media propaganda; after all, media propaganda has not made heterosexual white men aesthetically appreciate skinny and masculine high-fashion models. Besides, you have repeatedly ignored point #1 in this comment, the less feminine curves of East Asian women, evidence of less feminine testosterone-to-estradiol ratios among women in East Asiatic populations, and not provided any evidence that the shorter height of “Nesids” or equivalent is a consequence of greater feminization.

4. This site is about feminine beauty as it pertains to the external physical form. Therefore, the feminine psyche is irrelevant to it.

I will also address some other points:

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A. Scientific truths are not a matter of opinion but of evidence. Many anthropologists in the past were in agreement with some of your stated beliefs, and you tell me that so are some current anthropologists such as Rainer Knußmann, but a scientific agreement among scientists is along the lines of “the best interpretation given the evidence so far is...” Therefore, what really matters is the evidence behind a notion, not a statement that scientists agree about this notion. You have not cited current evidence to support the notions held by you that I am disputing, and have been unable to refute evidence to the contrary.

B. Healthy heterosexual relationships are about cooperation/love/friendship/respect, not dominance-submission. Normal women will let their male partners act in a dominating role when necessary.

C. Attributing the lack of civilization to pedomorphy is absurd. Many human populations that are nowhere as pedomorphic by your reasoning as the Khoi-San people or “Nesids” have never indigenously achieved a civilization, either. Besides, you said that humans as a whole are pedomorphic compared to the ancestral species, but humans have achieved civilization whereas the ancestral species have not.

D. There are no lipstick lesbians shown on this page.

This is a useless discussion. Now you have come up with a new ad hominem, accusing me of espousing pseudo science when the reality is that you are stuck in decades-old literature and are unable to understand current literature, let alone refute it.

Your fantasy about a mixed Northern European-East Asian population ruling the world is not going to come true. Most Northern Europeans have no attraction to East Asians. Besides, why should any ethnicity rule over others? Let each ethnic group have its own homeland and rule over its own affairs.

You are trashing this thread with the same arguments over and over gain, ignoring my repeated requests to stop commenting here and email me instead. Please stop. I know that it doesn’t hurt you. After all, you are hiding behind a pseudonym. But, I have had enough of your arguments. Set up your own website and write all you want there.

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