link | Submitted by Erik on Sat, 11/03/2007 - 08:21.
Whipped honey: Why do I need balls to reply to your comment? All I need is free time, and I found some right now.
Tyra points out her hair coloring, which is useless. Whites have all hair colors and no hair dye will make one look whiter. It would have been more relevant for her to point out the hair straightening, which the vast majority of African-American women indulge in.
Most people can see Tyra's hair dye, but how many know about her major nose jobs/rhinoplasties? I doubt that she has publicly admitted them. Her nose jobs are most analogous to the Asian woman's upper eyelid surgery, but she didn't talk about them. If the Asian woman is mentally messed up, then what would you say about the mental health of Tyra Banks? Before you answer this question, let us consider the issue of her "magnificent body."
Citing a photoshopped picture (SI swimsuit cover) does not help. You also missed her breast implants in the picture; here is some clarification.
Danielle: I haven't argued that whites are the most beautiful people. My argument should be clear, namely that the physical attractiveness of different ethnic groups cannot be objectively compared.
link | Submitted by Whipped Honey on Tue, 11/06/2007 - 09:27.
"Most people can see Tyra’s hair dye, but how many know about her major nose jobs/rhinoplasties?"
All Tyra Banks fans know about her nose jobs just as all Michelle Pfeiffer fans know about her nose jobs. Non-fans may not know because they don't bother to find out; the proof is easily available.
"If the Asian woman is mentally messed up, then what would you say about the mental health of Tyra Banks?"
Tyra Banks got nose jobs for a rational, pragmatic reason: career success as a model in a fashion world that would not have allowed her to succeed without her real nose. The Asian woman got eyelid surgery for an irrational, sick reason: obedience to the whims of the people who ridiculed her as a child. I believe both women looked better before their surgeries. I believe Tyra Banks would never have gotten her surgery if the fashion world had allowed her to succeed without it.
"You also missed her breast implants in the picture; here is some clarification."
Tyra Banks' breasts are real.
Erik, if your "clarification" photos which you claim prove Tyra Banks had breast implants had shown her full body rather than only from the chest up, you would see that the fluctuations in her breast size were caused WEIGHT FLUCTUATIONS.
Tyra Banks has stated that 98% of fashion models are or have been smokers; they use metabolism-raising nicotine to maintain their skinniness. Tyra is among the 2% of fashion models who have never been smokers, and she has never been anorexic, bulimic or a user of metabolism-raising narcotics such as speed or cocaine. She has said that early in her modelling career her agent gave her a list of designers with the heading "Will not use Tyra because of hips". Tyra is one of the curviest women ever to become of a supermodel (and I mean curves, not implants), and she has also been pressured to lose weight in order to get work. Tyra has smaller breasts when she is skinnier and bigger breasts when she is heavier. Tyra's breasts at their biggest still look 100% natural.
"My argument should be clear, namely that the physical attractiveness of different ethnic groups cannot be objectively compared."
How stupid do you think we are? How does pointing out that some nonwhite people get plastic surgery prove or even indicate that the attractiveness of different ethnic groups cannot be objectively compared, when plenty of white celebrities get plastic surgery too? Your official explanation of this blog entry is an obvious lie.
link | Submitted by Steve on Tue, 11/06/2007 - 21:35.
I'm with Erik on this. Here are two pictures of Tyra banks reclining. In the one image her breast is flattened by gravity. In the other, it is hemispherical, similar to the shape it should be when she's upright. These are before and after breast surgery.
link | Submitted by Whipped Honey on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 03:36.
Why Tyra Banks' breasts look different in different positions
Steve, the difference in Tyra Banks' breasts in your two photographs is caused not by breast implants but by the angle at which she is reclining.
http://hidebehind.com/BB00C1
In this photograph, Tyra's breasts are "flattened by gravity" because she is lying not on her back but on her left side, so gravity is pulling her breasts away from her rib cage.
http://hidebehind.com/F2582E
In this photograph, Tyra's breasts are "hemispherical, similar to the shape it should be when she’s upright" because she is lying on her back propped up on her elbows, so gravity is pulling her breasts toward her rib cage. Natural breasts fluctuate in size with weight changes and fluctuate in position with back position changes, and the bigger they are, the bigger the fluctuations are.
Tyra Banks' body is 100% real.
As a naturally busty woman myself, I know everything there is to know about natural breast development and I ALWAYS spot implants.
:-/
link | Submitted by Sarah on Sat, 11/17/2007 - 00:00.
LOL
Tyra is a joke. She fails to see that there are many Asian women with natural double eyelids.
Most Asian women who get eyelid surgery don't do it to look "more white", but the ideal standard of beauty today in East Asia is that the bigger the eyes, the prettier. Ever seen those Japanese cartoon characters?
Black women, Latina women, Middle Eastern women, etc. etc. all have big eyes too; Asians typically don't. So nice try, Erik, but just because an Asian woman decides to get surgery on her eyelids, it does not mean she wishes she looked white. I'm sure SOME women do, but definitely not all, and besides, I don't see why an Asian woman would want to look more white anyways; Asians generally have more beautiful features and age more gracefully.
That woman featured on the Tyra Show happens to be more beautiful than any of the white women you have featured in your "attractive women" section, Erik. It's a shame she was taunted as a child for her "Chinese eyes" when she was probably the prettiest girl in her class.
Whipped Honey: I disagree; Gong Li doesn't compare to Zhang Ziyi, Shu Qi, or Kim Ah-joong.
link | Submitted by Whipped Honey on Sat, 11/17/2007 - 13:23.
Why is plastic surgery motivation always considered nonwhite people wanting to look white but never considered white people wanting to look nonwhite?
Why are Asian women who get double eyelid surgery accused of wanting to look White when double eyelids are an almost universal human trait and the only people who don't have them are some East Asians, not even all East Asians, let alone all Asians, let alone all nonwhites?
All Black women of any ethnicity have double eyelids, so why does no one ever accuses Asian women who get double eyelid surgery of wanting to look Black?
Full lips are far more common among Black and Latin women than among White women, so why does no one ever accuse White women who get collagen lip injections of wanting to look Black or Latin?
White actress Michelle Pfeiffer has long used collagen lip injections to make her lips more similar to a Black woman's lips, so why does no one ever accuse Michelle Pfeiffer of wanting to look Black?
:-/
link | Submitted by Whipped Honey on Sat, 11/17/2007 - 13:36.
Sarah wrote: "Whipped Honey: I disagree; Gong Li doesn’t compare to Zhang Ziyi, Shu Qi, or Kim Ah-joong."
Sarah, are you comparing these women at the same age? Gong Li was born in 1965; the other three you consider more attractive were born in, respectively, 1979, 1976, and 1982.
All of them are very attractive, but in my opinion...
link | Submitted by Steve on Sat, 11/24/2007 - 17:57.
I'm going to have to reverse my position on the reality of Tyra's breasts. Whipped Honey is right. They're real. I found this youtube video. I think it from the episode on her show where a doctor verified her breasts. They definitely defore naturally.
link | Submitted by Debra on Fri, 02/08/2008 - 13:05.
When a photographer takes a shot of a busty model/subject in a reclining
pose or lying on her back they will sometimes adjust clothing or use devices such as straps or tape to prevent the breasts from falling to the sides. This is an industry fact. So just because Tyras breasts did not fall to the side does not mean that they are fake. Breast size also fluctuates with overall weight and it is obvious that when Trya retired from editorial and runway modeling she put on weight. I dont see the inference you're making about her nose job. This procedure is not confined to any paticular race. Eye lid sugery is an interesting phenomonon in Asia but is not widespread. A chinese friend used to find my double eyelids funny looking and not paticularily attractive! Plenty of white women try to darken their skin, plump up their lips and get nose jobs. Generalisation makes for a weak argument. A circle of inference.
link | Submitted by LisaV on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 15:14.
From a asian perspective, it's not about trying to be white. That is ridiculous and the white people needs to stop accusing of it. (although a few would want that, not all)...
Approximately 50% of asian are born without a natural eyelid, meaning that the rest of the 50% are naturally born with a double crease. Even among the Asian community, bigger eyes are more prettier compare to smaller eyes. Asian eyelid surgery is to enhance the beauty, not converting to another race nor whipping out one's race identity. I truly agree about what some of you wrote. Why is the asian then trying to be like the white? African-American people have double crease too. DUMBASSES!!
Erik : For me yes I find whites are pretty race but not all of them are pretty and I don' think all asian think the whites are pretty. in south east asian the teenegers prefer to look like north sast asian girls like japanese, chinese or korean more than to look that extremely beautifull like natalie glebova, kate winslete or claire dens also the same to the young guys in south east asia tend to like petite small eyes far east asian like yangmi, lui yi fei or kyoko fukada or lee young ae. I know from the news that's not much of south east asian girls get eyelids surgery to have slant eyes or inner eyelids fold like in north east asian girls which suth east asian males find slant small eyes are cute and look young. as I told on this site before that my dad is caucasian and my mom is south east asian. I still could remember when I was 14-15 years old I visited south east asia with my mom and my sister but my dad didn't go with us. we did heir the young chinese maid the same age as my elder sister. do u believe or not erik?
one day we sat in some resturant in the mall also the young chinese maid did go at mall with us one of my mother's old friend ( south east asian) walked to greet my mom and my mom introduced my sis and me and the chinese maid to her after that my mother's friend say to my mom.
" young maid looks very pretty" that friend said before touch the cheeks of that young chinese maid. my sister even get angry in my mind because she think she is half european and prettier than that chinese maid with small eyes, board round face, short and quite fat. awhile many people use to say my sister is pretty, she has big eyes, long face, tall, long earlobs and seems to look nicer than that young chinese maid in everything but not all of south east asian peoplewanted to look like that. yes I accepted that many of them like caucasian's look but it's not all of them. some young guys find european girls look too masculine, strange eyes'color and look like devil for them, strange hair color like animal's fur, witch's nose ( because many of asian have flat nose so for their standard all european got hookes nose for them), and also albino skin, freckle and hairy. I observe that the far east asian prefer to look like caucasian awhie south east asian teenegers prefer to look like far east asian.
indeed, I find that almost of asian people whom prefer caucasian beauty are in the age aroud 30-80 years old. when the fashion prefer the woman in "s" shape. the women like elizabeth tailer, malilyn monroe, twicky and kim barsinger were famous in asia. but now is different the teenegers prefer more natural innocent's looking girls, like come out from the wild or nature not the girls in "s" shape with a lot of artificial accessories on her body.
u could notice from this pic, the asian girl who is older than the white girl appears to look most younger than the white girl and the Iranian girl.
Otherwise, I think that girl on the vedio did herself misarable. anything is in her head I don't think white woman is prettier than asia.
And that girl on the vedio should go back to stay in china if she dosen't want those immoral whites treat her bad like that. indeed I disagree about the immegrants in abroad. I think they should have their own pride of their nation and build up their own countries, not by staying in somewhere that's not their own being.
however I find south east asian women are prettier than north east asian
Whites are the prettiest race.
That's why they age like shit and have ugly, bumpy noses and chins.
See what?
If you have a point to make, why don't you make it?
:question:
Whipped honey: The picture says it; words are not needed.
The picture says what? Tyra Banks had a nose job. Duh, that's no secret. So? Her success in modeling was built on her magnificent body, 100% real, as seen here in Tyra Banks Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue cover 1997.
The Asian woman in the video is mentally messed up and the surgery made her look worse.
Gong Li is the most beautiful East Asian woman in the world and she did not have the eyelid surgery.
Erik, still don't have the balls to SAY SOMETHING in this blog entry?
Erik wants Tyra to say that she thinks whites are the most beautiful race like he does.
Whipped honey: Why do I need balls to reply to your comment? All I need is free time, and I found some right now.
Tyra points out her hair coloring, which is useless. Whites have all hair colors and no hair dye will make one look whiter. It would have been more relevant for her to point out the hair straightening, which the vast majority of African-American women indulge in.
Most people can see Tyra's hair dye, but how many know about her major nose jobs/rhinoplasties? I doubt that she has publicly admitted them. Her nose jobs are most analogous to the Asian woman's upper eyelid surgery, but she didn't talk about them. If the Asian woman is mentally messed up, then what would you say about the mental health of Tyra Banks? Before you answer this question, let us consider the issue of her "magnificent body."
Citing a photoshopped picture (SI swimsuit cover) does not help. You also missed her breast implants in the picture; here is some clarification.
Danielle: I haven't argued that whites are the most beautiful people. My argument should be clear, namely that the physical attractiveness of different ethnic groups cannot be objectively compared.
All Tyra Banks fans know about her nose jobs just as all Michelle Pfeiffer fans know about her nose jobs. Non-fans may not know because they don't bother to find out; the proof is easily available.
Tyra Banks got nose jobs for a rational, pragmatic reason: career success as a model in a fashion world that would not have allowed her to succeed without her real nose. The Asian woman got eyelid surgery for an irrational, sick reason: obedience to the whims of the people who ridiculed her as a child. I believe both women looked better before their surgeries. I believe Tyra Banks would never have gotten her surgery if the fashion world had allowed her to succeed without it.
Tyra Banks' breasts are real.
Erik, if your "clarification" photos which you claim prove Tyra Banks had breast implants had shown her full body rather than only from the chest up, you would see that the fluctuations in her breast size were caused WEIGHT FLUCTUATIONS.
Tyra Banks has stated that 98% of fashion models are or have been smokers; they use metabolism-raising nicotine to maintain their skinniness. Tyra is among the 2% of fashion models who have never been smokers, and she has never been anorexic, bulimic or a user of metabolism-raising narcotics such as speed or cocaine. She has said that early in her modelling career her agent gave her a list of designers with the heading "Will not use Tyra because of hips". Tyra is one of the curviest women ever to become of a supermodel (and I mean curves, not implants), and she has also been pressured to lose weight in order to get work. Tyra has smaller breasts when she is skinnier and bigger breasts when she is heavier. Tyra's breasts at their biggest still look 100% natural.
How stupid do you think we are? How does pointing out that some nonwhite people get plastic surgery prove or even indicate that the attractiveness of different ethnic groups cannot be objectively compared, when plenty of white celebrities get plastic surgery too? Your official explanation of this blog entry is an obvious lie.
I'm with Erik on this. Here are two pictures of Tyra banks reclining. In the one image her breast is flattened by gravity. In the other, it is hemispherical, similar to the shape it should be when she's upright. These are before and after breast surgery.
http://hidebehind.com/BB00C1
http://hidebehind.com/F2582E
Why Tyra Banks' breasts look different in different positions
Steve, the difference in Tyra Banks' breasts in your two photographs is caused not by breast implants but by the angle at which she is reclining.
http://hidebehind.com/BB00C1
In this photograph, Tyra's breasts are "flattened by gravity" because she is lying not on her back but on her left side, so gravity is pulling her breasts away from her rib cage.
http://hidebehind.com/F2582E
In this photograph, Tyra's breasts are "hemispherical, similar to the shape it should be when she’s upright" because she is lying on her back propped up on her elbows, so gravity is pulling her breasts toward her rib cage. Natural breasts fluctuate in size with weight changes and fluctuate in position with back position changes, and the bigger they are, the bigger the fluctuations are.
Tyra Banks' body is 100% real.
As a naturally busty woman myself, I know everything there is to know about natural breast development and I ALWAYS spot implants.
:-/
Erik, could you please delete venemous bile from racist shits like Donald?
LOL
Tyra is a joke. She fails to see that there are many Asian women with natural double eyelids.
Most Asian women who get eyelid surgery don't do it to look "more white", but the ideal standard of beauty today in East Asia is that the bigger the eyes, the prettier. Ever seen those Japanese cartoon characters?
Black women, Latina women, Middle Eastern women, etc. etc. all have big eyes too; Asians typically don't. So nice try, Erik, but just because an Asian woman decides to get surgery on her eyelids, it does not mean she wishes she looked white. I'm sure SOME women do, but definitely not all, and besides, I don't see why an Asian woman would want to look more white anyways; Asians generally have more beautiful features and age more gracefully.
That woman featured on the Tyra Show happens to be more beautiful than any of the white women you have featured in your "attractive women" section, Erik. It's a shame she was taunted as a child for her "Chinese eyes" when she was probably the prettiest girl in her class.
Whipped Honey: I disagree; Gong Li doesn't compare to Zhang Ziyi, Shu Qi, or Kim Ah-joong.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/47467302@N00/533893476/
She's the one on the left :) HAHAHAH
Why is plastic surgery motivation always considered nonwhite people wanting to look white but never considered white people wanting to look nonwhite?
Why are Asian women who get double eyelid surgery accused of wanting to look White when double eyelids are an almost universal human trait and the only people who don't have them are some East Asians, not even all East Asians, let alone all Asians, let alone all nonwhites?
All Black women of any ethnicity have double eyelids, so why does no one ever accuses Asian women who get double eyelid surgery of wanting to look Black?
Full lips are far more common among Black and Latin women than among White women, so why does no one ever accuse White women who get collagen lip injections of wanting to look Black or Latin?
White actress Michelle Pfeiffer has long used collagen lip injections to make her lips more similar to a Black woman's lips, so why does no one ever accuse Michelle Pfeiffer of wanting to look Black?
:-/
Sarah wrote: "Whipped Honey: I disagree; Gong Li doesn’t compare to Zhang Ziyi, Shu Qi, or Kim Ah-joong."
Sarah, are you comparing these women at the same age? Gong Li was born in 1965; the other three you consider more attractive were born in, respectively, 1979, 1976, and 1982.
All of them are very attractive, but in my opinion...
Gong Li at her peak is the most beautiful East Asian woman ever.
I'm going to have to reverse my position on the reality of Tyra's breasts. Whipped Honey is right. They're real. I found this youtube video. I think it from the episode on her show where a doctor verified her breasts. They definitely defore naturally.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m0j1lK531gE
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When a photographer takes a shot of a busty model/subject in a reclining
pose or lying on her back they will sometimes adjust clothing or use devices such as straps or tape to prevent the breasts from falling to the sides. This is an industry fact. So just because Tyras breasts did not fall to the side does not mean that they are fake. Breast size also fluctuates with overall weight and it is obvious that when Trya retired from editorial and runway modeling she put on weight. I dont see the inference you're making about her nose job. This procedure is not confined to any paticular race. Eye lid sugery is an interesting phenomonon in Asia but is not widespread. A chinese friend used to find my double eyelids funny looking and not paticularily attractive! Plenty of white women try to darken their skin, plump up their lips and get nose jobs. Generalisation makes for a weak argument. A circle of inference.
From a asian perspective, it's not about trying to be white. That is ridiculous and the white people needs to stop accusing of it. (although a few would want that, not all)...
Approximately 50% of asian are born without a natural eyelid, meaning that the rest of the 50% are naturally born with a double crease. Even among the Asian community, bigger eyes are more prettier compare to smaller eyes. Asian eyelid surgery is to enhance the beauty, not converting to another race nor whipping out one's race identity. I truly agree about what some of you wrote. Why is the asian then trying to be like the white? African-American people have double crease too. DUMBASSES!!
Erik : For me yes I find whites are pretty race but not all of them are pretty and I don' think all asian think the whites are pretty. in south east asian the teenegers prefer to look like north sast asian girls like japanese, chinese or korean more than to look that extremely beautifull like natalie glebova, kate winslete or claire dens also the same to the young guys in south east asia tend to like petite small eyes far east asian like yangmi, lui yi fei or kyoko fukada or lee young ae. I know from the news that's not much of south east asian girls get eyelids surgery to have slant eyes or inner eyelids fold like in north east asian girls which suth east asian males find slant small eyes are cute and look young. as I told on this site before that my dad is caucasian and my mom is south east asian. I still could remember when I was 14-15 years old I visited south east asia with my mom and my sister but my dad didn't go with us. we did heir the young chinese maid the same age as my elder sister. do u believe or not erik?
one day we sat in some resturant in the mall also the young chinese maid did go at mall with us one of my mother's old friend ( south east asian) walked to greet my mom and my mom introduced my sis and me and the chinese maid to her after that my mother's friend say to my mom.
" young maid looks very pretty" that friend said before touch the cheeks of that young chinese maid. my sister even get angry in my mind because she think she is half european and prettier than that chinese maid with small eyes, board round face, short and quite fat. awhile many people use to say my sister is pretty, she has big eyes, long face, tall, long earlobs and seems to look nicer than that young chinese maid in everything but not all of south east asian peoplewanted to look like that. yes I accepted that many of them like caucasian's look but it's not all of them. some young guys find european girls look too masculine, strange eyes'color and look like devil for them, strange hair color like animal's fur, witch's nose ( because many of asian have flat nose so for their standard all european got hookes nose for them), and also albino skin, freckle and hairy. I observe that the far east asian prefer to look like caucasian awhie south east asian teenegers prefer to look like far east asian.
indeed, I find that almost of asian people whom prefer caucasian beauty are in the age aroud 30-80 years old. when the fashion prefer the woman in "s" shape. the women like elizabeth tailer, malilyn monroe, twicky and kim barsinger were famous in asia. but now is different the teenegers prefer more natural innocent's looking girls, like come out from the wild or nature not the girls in "s" shape with a lot of artificial accessories on her body.
u could notice from this pic, the asian girl who is older than the white girl appears to look most younger than the white girl and the Iranian girl.
Otherwise, I think that girl on the vedio did herself misarable. anything is in her head I don't think white woman is prettier than asia.
And that girl on the vedio should go back to stay in china if she dosen't want those immoral whites treat her bad like that. indeed I disagree about the immegrants in abroad. I think they should have their own pride of their nation and build up their own countries, not by staying in somewhere that's not their own being.
however I find south east asian women are prettier than north east asian
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