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Anna S. from Hegre Art

Anna S. from Hegre Art

Added to the attractive women section.  She replaces Sonia Blake, a more voluptuous woman but with a less impressive face.

A reader said that no one would pay to see feminine women in clothes.  This is not true.  Men's magazines such as Maxim sell well and they feature non-nude women that are more feminine than high-fashion models, on average, though there is as of yet no men's publication that maintains high standards.  If fashion magazines featured feminine models, many heterosexual men would purchase them just to look at the women.

Pictures speak for themselves.  Take a look at Anna S.

Anna S. from Hegre Art

Next, look at the following images (Vogue Paris, Sep. 2007).

Alice Dellal Alice Dellal Raquel Zimmermann Sasha Pivovarova Sasha Pivovarova




"A reader said that no one would pay to see feminine women in clothes."

What I said was, in the blog entry
Karl “models have skinny bones” Lagerfeld rejects three models for being too skinny!:

Most of your “Attractive Women” gallery are in that category of uniform, cloned loveliness, one face melting into the next. Their faces have no TRACTION. They are perfect for nude or semi-nude modeling, where bodies are everything and faces are just accessories. No one will ever pay to look at pictures of them fully dressed.

I said "No one will every pay to look at pictures of them fully dressed" about *most* of the women in your "Attractive Women" gallery, not even all the women in that gallery, let alone all feminine women!

Wow, that Vogue Paris model looks just like Prince William!

The Vogue Paris, Sep. 2007 model in the two photographs on the right looks so much like Prince William that I can't stop staring.

When it comes to sex, I would rather have Prince William.

When it comes to a women's clothing model, this one will do just fine!

Anna S. looks like a drugged out ladyboy.

Oops, I meant the Vogue Paris, Sep. 2007 in the two photographs on the LEFT looks just like Prince William.

Anna S. is pretty IMO.

Much better than Sonia Blake.

But as for her body, I don't understand how someone would think that's sexually appealing. Looking at her photos, especially the one of her backside, makes me cringe in the same way I cringe when I look at anorexics. It's just not attractive to me to have such a long, skinny torso, feminine or not. It's not even human-like.

funny, Sonia had much prettier face, for my eyes, this one I would never have for myself. Sonia was only too fat, for my taste, this one has fine body, nice proportions

Anna S. is pretty, but her close-up photo above should really be replaced. She looks stoned there.

Whipped honey: I didn't exactly twist your words; just misread them. You seriously need to reflect on whether you have a homosexual component to your attractions, directed toward the more masculine-looking women.

Danielle: Paul "perv" Reubens aka Pee-wee Herman is a homosexual who is into adolescent boys. Of course he wouldn't want Anna S.

Brenda: I will replace Anna's image with a better one.

Would this be more appropriate? Anna S makes blood gush out of people's eyes.

You are sick Danielle.

Erik: I am a big girl and I know who turns me on. That Vogue Paris, Sep. 2007 model on the left grabs my attention because of her shocking facial resemblance to a certain very sexy MAN.

Prince William is hot to me. This model is not hot to me. But she reminds me of a man who is hot to me. Get it?

Whipped honey: What do you mean by a big girl? Overweight? Tall? Mentally mature/wise?

Which of the following scenarios do you think makes more sense for marketing clothes to women? Use a woman whose looks remind women of a man (as in Alice Dellal, who reminds you of Prince William) or use a woman who looks good to the greatest number of women with sufficient money, prompting them to aspire to the looks of this woman and suggest that one can, in part, acquire this woman’s status/appeal by putting on her clothes/jewelry?

Women's Complex Reaction to Female Beauty Goes Beyond Aesthetics

"What do you mean by a big girl? Overweight? Tall? Mentally mature/wise?"

By big girl I mean I am an adult. I am not a child trying to figure out my sexuality. I know myself.

Alice Dellal (thanks for the name, I was getting tired of typing Vogue Paris, Sep. 2007 model on the left) is one of the very few women you call "masculinized" who actually does have a masculine face. Most of them range from androgynous to barely androgynous to not even androgynous.

I don't find Alice Dellal beautiful. I find Alice Dellal disconcerting and even a little distasteful because she has a man's face on a woman's body. (And yes, I can both feel negative about her manliness and positive about her resemblance to Prince William, because it's Prince William, not her, I'm feeling positive about.) My reaction to her was strong enough so that her outfits are now fixed in memory. I don't even like the tacky outfits, but I remember them. A woman with different taste in clothes from mine, perhaps from a different part of the country, might both remember and like her outfits, and might buy them, or something else by the same designer, as opposed to the outfits she merely likes but doesn't *remember*. Do you see what I'm getting at? This model's face forces your eyes to stop.

"Which of the following scenarios do you think makes more sense for marketing clothes to women? Use a woman whose looks remind women of a man (as in Alice Dellal, who reminds you of Prince William) or use a woman who looks good to the greatest number of women with sufficient money, prompting them to aspire to the looks of this woman and suggest that one can, in part, acquire this woman’s status/appeal by putting on her clothes/jewelry?"

Cindy Crawford, one of the most successful models of all time, said, and I am paraphrasing because I cannot remember or find the exact quote, but this is the exact meaning: "Let's face it, the most popular models are not always the most gorgeous. Women can relate to me."

You have to understand women's complex reaction to female beauty: aesthetic pleasure, arousal, identification, envy, insecurity, resentment of the priveleges accorded to the beautiful, awareness that beauty is a double-edged sword and beautiful women pay a heavy price.

You suggest that women's reaction to female beauty is supposed to begin and end with aesthetic pleasure, and erase the entire rest of that sentence.

The "super six" most successful supermodels of the 1990's were all in some way less attractive than their most physically similar competitors in modeling's highest echelon. Cindy Crawford was not as beautiful as Stephanie Seymour. Claudia Schiffer was not as beautiful as Vendella. Christy Turlington was not as beautiful as Helena Christensen. The lesser beauties outsold and outearned the greater beauties because they had the power to arouse women's positive reactions to beauty while partially neutralizing women's negative reactions.

Cindy Crawford became one the most successful models of all time because she was the first supermodel who ever had a public image as a highly intelligent person. Others may have been just as bright or brighter, and she may not have been as bright as people thought she was, but in terms of image, regardless of reality, Cindy Crawford was the first very smart model. This made her enormously appealing to women looking for an alternative to the smart plain jane/beautiful bimbo dichotomy. And though Cindy's female fans perhaps envied her looks, that envy didn't rise to the level of the seriously hostile jealousy Stephanie provoked. Perfect combination.

Most women are not naive enough to believe that wearing the same clothes/jewelry as a certain model gives you some degree of the same status/appeal. "If I wear her dress then I'll be like her" is something you have to be 11 years old to believe. Adult women ask, Is my bone structure/coloring/body type/hair/whatever close enough to hers so that what looks good on her might look good on me? And that's a much more important question than, Is she beautiful?

LOL! Erik, you have no sense of humor!

Danielle: I have a sense of humor, but it is not a sick one.

Whipped honey: Of course women are not naïve enough to believe that putting on the clothes of a model will give them the model’s appeal, but it would be a step toward acquiring some of the woman’s appeal. This should be a basic marketing consideration. What of envy and jealously? If an attractive clothes model makes a potential buyer jealous of her beauty, is the buyer less likely to buy the clothes the model is displaying? The proper way of dealing with a competitor or a woman that induces envy/jealously is to at least acquire what she has if not something better, and acquiring her clothing/jewelry would be a step in the right direction.

Your argument assumes that model selection is based on female psychology and marketing considerations. What about the thinness issue? Many women find the typical thinness of high-fashion models disturbing. A woman with a masculine physique and normal weight would not induce jealously in the typical woman. Why not use such models? Why use a lot of very thin models? Does it make sense that the disturbing thinness of the models would increase the likelihood of women buying clothes? What about the age issue? The fashion industry has a penchant for teenage girls. Is this because teenage girls are less likely to induce jealousy and hence increase the likelihood that women will buy clothes?

Have you heard of Occam’s Razor? Is it difficult to put two and two together? The industry is dominated by homosexual men. There is a massive amount of evidence showing much higher rates of sexual interest in children among homosexual/bisexual men compared to heterosexual men. The combination of masculinization, thinness and youth in the typical female high-fashion model makes the central tendency among the models approach the looks of boys in their early adolescence. Designer clothing is highly desirable, which gives the designers a broad license to use the kind of models they prefer. What is the simplest explanation of models’ looks? What is the most powerful explanation of models’ looks and 20th century trends in models’ femininity? Ask yourself these questions. See if you can provide a simple, elegant explanation of these questions in terms of female psychology and marketing considerations.

If Alice Dellal has a face that attracts your attention and makes you examine her clothing, how does this help sales? You will consider buying the clothes only if you like them. Have you heard of the halo effect? If you don’t like Alice Dellal’s looks, would it help make you evaluate her clothes in a better light? If you were to pick a fashion magazine to look at the clothes, would it serve the magazine poorly to overwhelmingly use feminine women? Will it make you less likely to examine the clothes?

Erik, I would look at your "evidence" of homos being more likely to want to screw children but I don't want to download a file called "" unto my computer. You're a weirdo and I don't trust you. You should put that "info" up as a blog entry.

Danielle: You think I would be putting a virus in the zip file? If I wanted to use malware, I could drop a malicious cookie into visitors’ browsers, but what purpose would this serve? Scan the zip file before opening it. Posting it as a blog entry doesn’t make sense because it is not a topic that this site needs to be addressing at length.

Well at least she is better than sonia blake. Sonia is truely U.G.L.Y. I can't believe you ever found her attractive!

Just replaced the picture of Anna S. on top; the initial choice had an odd expression.

Yep, she definitely looks better there. :-)

Anna S is one of the most beautiful women in the world of nudes, in my opinion. Picturesque and sculpted, long and lean, and beautiful top it all off. But everyone has their own opinion of what beauty is. I personally love the long slender torso, small hips, and long legs. That doesn't mean I like my girls to be anorexic. You can, as Anna shows, be of a certain shape and still be healthy.

Interesting how she replaces a woman that is more volouptous ( I'd call her fat though) with a "less impressive face". Because the other woman had a smoother more feminine face. While this woman has a more masculine face, with higher cheekbones (or so they appear that way. My cheekbones are low but they are very full and sometimes appear high) and an overall more masculine face shape. I think she is beautiful however.

Look at her jawline at the side in comparison to the other one as well. More masculine. Beautiful? Yes.

lol the picture of the first woman that you compare her to, the one with the fur coat thing, I literally thought she was a man at first! Seriously, that is not a woman! You do have a point: fashion models are very masculine. But not all, and they get less masculine as you move away from "high" fashion.

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