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Sun, 07/02/2006 - 22:17 Erik Welcome!

Ciyra: Like you, homosexual fashion designers also find Elle MacPherson better looking than the more feminine Monica, but people overwhelmingly prefer feminine looks in women, i.e., personal preferences broadly agree in the general population, and it is by no means the case that fashion magazines feature the likes of Elle on the cover because most people have your preference. I agree that there is nothing special about the looks of Monica, and I would not put her into the attractive women section of this site; I chose her because she is as tall as Elle and more feminine, and rebuts the claim that the masculinized skeletal proportions of high-fashion models reflect their selection for tallness. One could easily find tall and feminine women that are more attractive than Monica. For instance, here is a 5-foot-11 woman that I did not use because she is an inch shorter than Elle.

You have mentioned high-fashion models representing a standard of beauty that is unreachable for the majority of women. Feminine and attractive looks are also beyond the reach of most women, and there is nothing average about feminine and attractive looks in women. If high-fashion models occupied their own niche, then there would likely be no need for this site, but when swimsuit magazines targeting heterosexual men, prominent female models portrayed as the most sexy women by the fashion world, and beauty contests that heterosexual men have an interest in (e.g., here and here) mostly comprise of masculinized women, then it is time to do something about it. There should be at least one mainstream outlet where feminine beauty is appreciated, and this is the reason why I set up this site. Presently, I am unable to go beyond adult-oriented sites when it comes to sourcing pictures of feminine and attractive women, which shows that I have a long way to go in order to achieve at least one mainstream outlet where feminine beauty is appreciated, but if the gods are benevolent, I will be successful.

Sun, 07/02/2006 - 20:40 Ciyra Welcome!

I've read your response and I looked over your comparison of Elle and Monica, but I'm sorry Elle Macpherson is more attractive then Monica. Not to say that Monica is not pretty, but I would not buy a magazine with her on the cover. She is average; there is nothing extraordinary about her. I've come to the conclusion that this is all a matter of personal preference, rather then a matter of science as you have presented it. This standard of beauty is unreachable for the majority of women, but it is a standard of beatuy. They are beautiful. I won't go into reasons why you have decided to dedicate an entire website to calling model, as I don't know you personally and it is your right to freedom of opinion.

Sun, 07/02/2006 - 01:07 Erik Welcome!

Jade: Your colorful commentary reflects how sane you are. It is obvious that you do not have much of an idea what male heterosexuality is about. You are correct that some men like the looks of high-fashion models, but these men are typically nonheterosexual and rarely lifetime-exclusive heterosexuals, and if they are the latter, chances are that they have narrowly escaped nonheterosexuality. In the event that you are a heterosexual woman who wishes to attract lifetime-exclusive heterosexual men, be advised that it is in your best interests to look feminine or else you may attract men into the down-low lifestyle.

If there were no status quo in high fashion, then there would likely be no need for this site. You believe that the exposed nipples, see-through dresses and exposed breasts in fashion shows reflect the desire of some women to dress in a similar manner and also that the relevant dresses are supposed to be worn with lingerie? What insanity! How many women attempt to go to social events with exposed breasts/nipples and/or dressed in lingerie or see-though clothing? As to what constitutes attractiveness, I am not merely saying what I have read, but I have cited plenty of studies published in peer-reviewed journals (e.g., here and here), which you should go through to understand how attractive high-fashion models are and how attractive they are found to be by the general public. Anyway, this is not a forum for foul language; you need to take it elsewhere.

Thu, 06/29/2006 - 15:50 jade Welcome!

and i think most top models are beutiful girls
daria werbowy is one of the most gorgues girls ive ever seen
just becuase your more masculinized doesnt meen you more atracive like im sure most men would prefure daria werbowy ovefr some fat chubby cheeked internet whore
and i dont care whatever you say about ther cheek bones there cheeks are chubby and all those girls are ugly epecialy that ugly red headed whore
and those girls are disgusting sluts liek your sticking up for dirty whores that will never have anything to do with you ugly disgusting self
like even those ugly girls who would fuck anyhting with a heart beat
wouldnt even touch you
ive seen your picture oin the internet
you are ugly
and you make me want to puke your jelous of fashion models because there beitful and they would never touch you thats why you made this sight
and freja beja is ugly iv always hated that bitch
but most every fashion models is prettier than her
i still stand by daria werbowy and adriana lima and gemma ward are one of the prettiest gilr son the planet
and dont tell me whats atractive and whats not
becuase it hink thos girls are buetiful just like most people in the world whilke you think ugly aiids infected whores are buetiful thats your opinion

Thu, 06/29/2006 - 15:44 jade Welcome!

what you have read and your saying ever designer who say they are straight is bisexual
and you r getting this from what youve read about fashion models
and im pretty sure if a straight designer wanted a "atractive" model he could get one and who are you to say whats atractive and whats not just from literature youve read
you know nothing
and some men like the way high fashion models look
like straight fashion designers do
and there is no statues quo in fashion
you fucking retard
fashion designers pick whatever models they find unique
and anohter reason they shows nipples
is becuase some women like those kind of clothes so they make them like thta
and those clothes are supposed to be worn with sexy laguera
like saying you know what atractive is becuase youve read about it
atractive cant be read about buety is in the eye of beholder
and stop calling me insane you annoying little cunt
like seriously your obviously some obese faggot who has nothing better to do than argue with peopekl about you what youve read
so ive read a medical book i guess im a doctor now to then
your so fucking dumb like ou seem like the type that sits at home and doesnt do anything all besides waste tehre money on porn
becuase you do becuase all those sights you went to were pay sites
your the most ignorant person ive ever seen

Wed, 06/28/2006 - 22:05 Erik Welcome!

Ciyra: Sex-typical looks and physical attractiveness are not synonyms. To be attractive, it is not enough to have sex-typical looks. I have not argued that women who are not feminine are ugly. As I have pointed out repeatedly, lack of attractiveness does not imply ugliness; ugliness refers to physical defects and abnormalities, which are not found among high-fashion models. In the attractive women section of this site, there are two pages specifically featuring somewhat masculinized and attractive women, and somewhat masculinized women are also present on other pages, but the masculinization in these women is nowhere as extensive as in high-fashion models, on average. High-fashion models do tend to have a unique look, but if you find them interesting to look at then you are among a small minority of humans. From a statistical standpoint, tall women will have a greater proportion of women with shoulder breadth and arm length in the masculine range for their height, but it is easy to find tall women with feminine skeletal proportions. For instance, see this comparison of 6-feet-tall Elle MacPherson with an equally tall glamour model. The masculinized skeletal proportions of high-fashion models are deliberately selected.

Wed, 06/28/2006 - 21:59 Erik Welcome!

Jade: Your insanity appears to know no bounds. There are few straight male designers among the top ranks of fashion designers, and they have to comply with the status quo. If you really believe that straight male fashion designers are voluntarily choosing skinny and masculine fashion models, then you obviously have no idea what male heterosexuality is about. For instance, consider the following pictures of high-fashion model Freja Beha Erichsen.

Freja Beha Erichsen

What kind of fashion designers choose models such as Freja Erichsen? Heterosexual men or pederasts? The answer is obvious to any reasonable person.

I don’t have the time to go through your list of presumably straight fashion designers. If you can name an openly gay person such as Tom Ford as a straight man, it is obvious that you don’t know what you are talking about. I have cited enough evidence that a good number of gays in the fashion world remain closeted. You are probably operating under the assumption that if the designer is not a known homosexual then he is heterosexual. Such reasoning is highly dubious. For instance, I have been hit on by married men, and I couldn’t have guessed that these men were some type of bisexuals before they hit on me. Closeted or out of the closet, the central tendency of the looks of high-fashion models makes the typical sexual orientation of the dominant fashion designers clear. Freja Beha is merely one of many models with her looks, and only the insane will believe that heterosexual men are responsible for selecting models like Freja.

Besides, I have not called gays pedophiles. Compared to heterosexuals, the prevalence of sexual interest in underage children is much higher among homosexuals, as evidenced by a great deal of empirical evidence (see this and this), but most gays have a preference for adults.

Regarding hip swaying, there is a difference between a normal amount of hip swaying while walking versus the exaggerated hip swaying often seen in fashion shows. It is absurd to try to explain this exaggeration in terms of the need to show how the clothing will look like in a moving person. You have shown more of your insanity in arguing that the reason breasts or nipples show in some cases is because the clothes do not fit the models well. Take a look at the following collage and tell me whether all instances of exposed breasts/nipples and see-through dresses are accidental or due to poor fit.

Exposed breasts and nipples in fashion shows

Similarly, when I mentioned bizarre make-up, I meant really bizarre, as in the two examples shown on the “skinny fashion models” page. Is such make-up meant to complement the clothing?

Your insanity prevents you from seeing the obvious, i.e., modeling in fashion shows is far from functioning as a mere clothes hangar.

What appear to be chubby cheeks among the feminine and attractive women to you are not fatty cheeks but cheekbones that are placed lower on the face, thereby being more feminine compared to those of high-fashion models. Most female beauty icons have more masculine faces? Well, the women that you are talking about are far from beauty icons, but they surely are promoted as such by the fashion world, and given the gay domination of the fashion business it shouldn’t be surprising that the top fashion models are typically masculinized.

I don’t have to be anybody to say what is attractive and what isn’t when I have made my case by citing plenty of scientific literature. I have by no means implied that eastern European women are manly. I have shown a number of eastern European women in the attractive women section. If fashion designers are disproportionately recruiting eastern European models, then they are going after the masculinized women and avoiding the feminine ones.

Lastly, if you consider the women in the attractive women section, one doesn’t pose nude, one doesn’t go beyond semi-nudity, some don’t go beyond nude modeling, and of those who engage in sexual acts on camera, some restrict themselves to object insertions and/or lesbian activity. Thus, most of these women do not qualify as prostitute types, and what is relevant to this site is how they look rather than what they do.

Tue, 06/27/2006 - 03:50 Ciyra Welcome!

There are some women with more masculine features and some men with more feminine features. You seem to think that anyone that doesn't fall completely within their own gender "standards" is not beautiful. High fashion models tend to have a unique look, which of course makes them more interesting to look at as they walk a runway or in a magazine spread. I'm not sure where you got the idea that if you're not completely feminine that you're ugly, but you're missing out on some beautiful people. As far as wider shoulders and longer arms, when you're tall, as many high fashion models are, that's fairly common. I hope no one buys into your "feminine is the only good look" philosophy. Beauty is beauty and it comes in many forms.

Mon, 06/26/2006 - 06:18 jade Welcome!

your an idiot
ive read the othjer parts of your site you dont know hwta your talking about at all
so i guess gay people are pedofiles now to
my god you are an idiot
please die now
and most hetero sexuals are pedophiles thanks
i researched before i typed this
79% of male pedofiles are hetorsexual

Mon, 06/26/2006 - 06:04 jade Welcome!

and the reason why they have hip swaying is to show how the clothing moves
and celebrties models
so people will buy the clothes
and breats nipple showing is becuase they cant always tailor the clothes to fit perfectly on the model
and as for the make up
they have the make up to exentiate the clothes
and all you could name oiut of the others designers i put
were 4 that were gay
what do you have to say about the others
you sexist pig?
there not glamour models
there whores
a glamour model is a model for make up and or jewelery
and dont tell me other wise either

Mon, 06/26/2006 - 06:00 jade Welcome!

and the reason why they have hip swaying is to show how the clothing moves
and celebrties models
so people will buy the clothes
and breats nipple showing is becuase they cant always tailor the clothes to fit perfectly on the model
and as for the make up
they have the make up to exentiate the clothes

Mon, 06/26/2006 - 05:54 jade Welcome!

and just becuase what models he pick doesnt mean hes gay
and most models are eastern eurpien
so your saying europien women are manly and every man that thinks there buetiful is gay
your such an ignorant fool

Mon, 06/26/2006 - 05:52 jade Welcome!

ok you no what fuck you
you know nothing about hwta your talking about
thats not the reason why they look like that
and if so why would striaght fashion designers have models look like that then
like you dont know anything about the subject
you have never been in the fashion industry or even clohtes
your website is based on your opinion
and answer me this question why do you straight designers have more masculine women
and more masculine women are more atractive
the women you said were atractive had chubby cheacks
and were really ugly
havnt you noticed most beuty icons have more masculina faces
and who are you to say whats attractive and whats not
and stop pretedning like you know so much about the fashion industry when you obviously dont

Mon, 06/26/2006 - 05:51 Ahappiergirl The 2006 Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue

What a fascinating website. Thank you so much for being UN PC and sharing all this eye opening info.
Im going to spread your site link far and wide to other women and men out there who need an education on the fashion industry.

Mon, 06/26/2006 - 02:51 Erik Welcome!

Simone: Similing does not spread out the bony part of the nose. Tyra Banks has obviously undergone two rhinoplasties. As to the sourcing of the majority of the attractive women from adult-oriented sites, there are hardly any alternatives at present, thanks to the gay domination of the fashion business.

Mon, 06/26/2006 - 02:35 Erik Welcome!

Jade: You are apparently insane. Tom Ford has been out of the closet for a long time. Bill Blass was a homosexual and so were/are Jean-Paul Gaultier, Cristóbal Balenciaga and Valentino Garavani. There are also the likes of Calvin Klein who, though married to a woman at some point, clearly has a penchant for female models that look like boys in their early adolescence, leaving little doubt about his sexuality. The excerpts that I mentioned in a previous entry on gays in the fashion business are taken from an issue of the Advocate, a major publication catering to homosexuals, and this issue mentions the closeted nature of many homosexuals working in the fashion business, and also proudly states, “To observe that gay men and lesbians dominate the fashion business may seem about as controversial as saying that Russians rule Moscow.” Contrary to your statement, most of the people mentioned in the aforementioned entry are/were fashion designers rather than make-up artists or photographers.

I have most certainly not assumed gay domination of the fashion business under the assumption that if a man is a fashion designer then he must be gay. There is plenty of evidence for gay domination of the fashion business, including the masculinization typically seen in high-fashion models. In case you have no idea what lifetime-exclusive male heterosexuality is about, understand that men with this orientation have no interest whatsoever in women who look like adolescent boys, male transvestites, male-to-female transsexuals or eunuchs.

You have tried to explain the skinniness typically seen in high-fashion models in terms of their assumed role as clothes hangers that should direct attention toward the clothes rather than the models. I have already addressed this incorrect notion. There are plenty of skinny women with feminine faces and skeletal proportions, but such feminine women are uncommon among high-fashion models. Similarly, fashion designers have a preference for teenage fashion models rather than models in their twenties. The most obvious explanation for the typical combination of skinniness, masculinization and youth in high-fashion models is that only these kind of women come closest to approximating the looks of boys in their early adolescence, which many gay fashion designers find aesthetically appealing. On the other hand, if high-fashion models are supposed to be clothes hangars, then how do you explain several correlates of high-fashion modeling that detract attention away from the clothing – e.g., excessive hip swaying, occasional use of bizarre make-up or the deliberate exposure of a breast or nipple, and the use of celebrity models?

If the dominant fashion designers were heterosexual men, guess how the typical high-fashion model would look like? Go through the attractive women section of this site and picture feminine and more attractive women -- you will be imagining them.

Mon, 06/26/2006 - 02:32 simone Welcome!

tyra banks nsoe is like that in that one pictuire becuase she is smilling
and your a pervert
why are all your other model pictures from porn stes

Sun, 06/25/2006 - 18:13 jade Welcome!

actually calvien kliens designers isnt bisexual and valintos inst gay
like shut the fuckl up you know nohting about the fashion buesnes your the typical straight man thinking just becuase a man is a designer he is gay
here are all the companies wich the designers are straight:
Emanuel Ungaro
Emilio Pucci
J Mendel
Oscar de la Renta
Proenza Schouler
tom ford(gucci 2 years ago)
Bill Blass
Christian Lacroix
Alessandro Dell'Acqua
Stephen Burrows
Tommy hilfigure
Yohji Yamamoto
Chado Ralph Rucci
Kenneth Cole
Alberta Ferretti
Jean Paul Gaultier
Bottega Veneta
The list can go on and on
and you only name at least 6 people
so shut the fuck up
Im right your worng now eta me out bitch

Sun, 06/25/2006 - 17:58 jade Welcome!

the reason why a typical high fashion model isnt the average standord of buetiful isbecuase the designers dont want people looking at the girl so much they want ppeople looking at the clothes
and stop syaing its mnostly gay men just becuase of how the women look like honestly you dont jknow anything about the fashion buesness youve never been involed with it and until you are you will see that most deisgners are staright and the reason why they are so skinny is becusse they wnt the clothes to hang on them like hangers and if you were a designer would you want people looking at the girl? or hte clothes that took months to make?

Sun, 06/25/2006 - 17:52 jade Welcome!

most of the people you listed were all hair and make up artist
barley any of them were designers
there are more straight than gay designers the top deisgners are staright
the deisgners for all these brands are staight
alberto ferreti
roberto cavalli
jean pual gualtier
calein klien
tom ford
bill blass
oscer de la renta
just to name a few
the list could go on and on
but i dont feel like typing all thta much]
and most designers are straights o dont tell me other wise
bnecuase i am a former model and i think id no whjos straight or notm thanks yes most hair and make up aretists are gay buit the designers usually are not
and clearly more people find "masculine" owmen as you state more buetiful
and by the way your not in the fashion buesness you have nothing to do with it so until your actually in that buessness then you can make up a sight like this but until then stfu

Sun, 06/25/2006 - 12:17 Erik Welcome!

Jade: I am not a woman. Besides, women who are jealous of the looks of fashion models will rarely showcase partially-nude feminine and attractive women to buttress their arguments about what constitutes beauty in women.

Saying that some women are masculinized is not to imply that they are physically indistinguishable from men. Additionally, I am not calling high-fashion models ugly. Ugliness refers to physical abnormalities and defects, which do not characterize high-fashion models.

As to who am I to call some people beautiful and other not, there is a lot of scientific literature addressing objective correlates of beauty, and if you read the answer to the first question on the FAQ page, you will encounter links to various pages within this site where the nature of aesthetics has been addressed, making it clear who is and who isn’t attractive as far as most people are concerned.

This site does not reflect my concern with how other people look. In case you haven’t noticed, I am addressing the looks of models and beauty pageant contestants, and will generally avoid addressing the looks of ordinary women or non-model celebrities unless someone insists that a given non-model celebrity is very beautiful when she clearly isn’t.

The assertion that the top ranks of the fashion business are dominated by homosexual men is not a baseless stereotype. Better go through this list of big-name gay fashion designers. Besides, what other than the gay factor would explain the typical looks of high-fashion models?

Sun, 06/25/2006 - 12:08 Erik Is it possible to objectively compare the attractiveness of women from different populations?

Thank you for your suggestion. I am not sure whether I want this section to be a prominent part of this site, but I will see what I can do to distinguish it from the advertisements.

Sun, 06/25/2006 - 03:03 anon45623634 Is it possible to objectively compare the attractiveness of women from different populations?

You might want to make the side bar link for this more noticeable. It should have bigger text and the same light blue-grey background as the other side bar links.

Right now it just looks like small text over a big advertisment. It's easy to miss. I had no idea it was such a big site section untill i took a more careful look at this blog entry.

Sat, 06/24/2006 - 22:38 jade Welcome!

like stop saying its gay dominated when its not
liek seriously gte your facts staright or dont wirhgt things
lets see you wirhgt 10 gay designers....?

Sat, 06/24/2006 - 22:31 jade Welcome!

and actualy
most fashion deisgners phtographers
are striaght just to let you know
its a stero type that says there gay
wich i cant name 5 gay designers
and i could name about 50 straight ones
you bitch