This site is amazingly refreshing. Thank you for being either brave enough or indifferent enough to post such a brazenly objective investigation into femininity. I'm sure you don't hear enough thanks (having just read three years worth of foolish emotional flotsam washed out of pricked and bleeding visitors).
I see many grumblings/bleatings about how we should find every female body type "attractive". This smacks of daytime talkshow pap, served up to Americans who need emotional bandaids for feeling unattractive and worthless (which isn't to say they are, or are not, worthless). Aesthetics, in regards to a particular style, such as "masculinity" or "femininity" or "androgeny" (or "romanticism" or "postmodernism" in equal measure), by their very definition are guided by particular principles (i.e., ideals). A person may find beauty in a Monet painting - but they would be wrong to enjoy it for its "classical" qualities. It would be equally inappropriate to be emotionally hurt, should an indifferent passerby correct them, by pointing out how it typifies "impressionistic" styles/attributes.
If a "heterosexual" man who reads this, discovers that he finds masculine females attractive (think "sticks with tits"), then embrace and bestride them to your lusty content. However, do not believe the women you pursue to uphold the *ideals* of "femininity". Such a sexual preference does not equate to "bad" or "good", however it does not conform with a desire for the archetypal female shape. Male and female are biologic opposites, and their aesthetics are likewise polar in their principles.
The models above may not be exceedingly refined in their features, or symmetrical, but they do *better* represent the "feminine" aesthetic than the Victoria's Secret models. When speaking of a "model," read as, " a representative to draw example from" (i.e., ideal). A model is a poor ideal if it does not typify, or even attempt to approach, the purest form of its purpose (e.g., "She was a model of abstinence," should not mean, "she slept with *less* men than other girls"). Models of female underwear should typify ideal biological female sexual characteristics. Female models may of course also be chosen to represent the artistic vision of a clothing designer, which may include completely negating femininity from a woman - but that is an altogether different animal from lingerie.
Flip the perspective - would the majority of heterosexual women find a man with narrow shoulders, small, delicate bones, a plump bottom, and soft, downy face "masculine"? No, of course they wouldn't - not even if he was "symmetrical". He requires an unconventional mate, but like the rest of us, despite aesthetic inadequacies, he can be happy.
"there is no reason to believe that anal sex is a common practice among heterosexual couples"
But it doest mean that men don't wont to watch anal sex, or that they wouldn't practice it if their women allowed them to.
"The most beautiful women (some might say the only truly beautiful women) to do porn were east European (Silvia Saint and Anita Dark). No American female who looks as good (facially at least) has ever opted to work as a porn performer."
Tori black
I am curious why you seem to think the size of the breast renders these women unattractive. Looking at them all (as a bisexual woman) each of these women is in fact very beautiful in her own way. I would have no problem with you having specific preferences, but just because they don't fit into your preferences does not give you any right whatsoever to call them unattractive overall. Just a thought.
I can't begin to imagine the pain and anxiety an anorexic girl must feel, that she gave herself up just to be beautiful. For me, health is the most important thing, I've recently had an yeast infection treatment because I wasn't feeling so well and I realized that if you don't have your health, you have nothing. To conclude, I wouldn't want to be beautiful and sick, I'd rather be healthy and chase after my dreams!
with my educated analysis on melisande's body is you can clearly see that her stomach and her neck are not so streched out due to being a user or dieter her body covers a clean amount of her skeletal figure which in states that she is a healthy and functional woman. in which case those other model pictures shows there complete skeletal figure that can scare some people due to less body fat. melisande has a nice deal of body fat that alows her to look appealing to men especialy with her glutes.along with her healthy skin. from my scientific analysis she is a remarkable female creation. but only scientificly speaking. visualy speaking you have your choice of jugedment.the graph i used to calculate all of her fetures scientificly and visualy, showed remarkable results compared to several models. her facial expresions are 36% higher than a average fashion model which they have only 13 points of facial exppression. melisande's body has a 43.2267% more muscle stimulation than an average model who has only 4 points of muscle stimulation makeing melisande more stimulating than models. the last peace of data was her Clavical and her Platysma for both of them the have 16.5% and 21.386% more show than an average model. for a model only has about 5 points of show and 3 points of show. this is data that says melisande is very beautiful and model are just made to wear clothing not to be a gorgeouse women. also it would look strange to see a model nude.
i think your beautiful. a body like yours is still a site to see. yes people do judge poorly on size and shape. melisande is also right about on why are you guys debating so much on her physical attributes shes a beautiful young girl who is attractive and has a nice body thats not to small or to big shes just right for her hight and weight. and i have seen other pictures of melisande and her skin, smile, stomach, and chest is beautiful. oh and just to let all the others know im a theoretical physisis and a bioengineer whith also the knowledg of anatomy and physology.
this woman is not as obviously masculine, i would have used someone like the much celebrated Cindy Crawford to make your point, she is truly masculine.
Sorry i'm still getting a hang of posting images.
Here is another celebrity, lebanese singer Amar as promised, face and figure. You might find women like these will better drill home your point because there is no porn factor detraction. I bet many other nations have the right idea other than america which seems to have taken androgony too far. It's important to note that these two women are awful singers and are popular mostly due to their looks.
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Images that actually work. The first few are of haifa and the others of a different singer named amar. Both highly feminine north west middle easterners and both celebrated beauties in countries where hetro not homo males are incharge.first here is haifa i will post amar after
Oh my god you are soo right.
I think this worship of masculine woman is really a western thing though. In the middle east female idols are hyperfeminine in figure and face.
Feminine beauty is indeed idolised just not in your nations. I'm sure you can find better examples of day to day feminine women unfortunately photos of them are not very available where you come from because they aren't popular.
I happen to be 100% middle eastern syrian with white skin, light hair and eyes. It so happens that it is from where i live that the fair skin mutation spread to your previous nomadic area. Your race is nothing but a mutation caused by your climate, so is mine, just give it a few generations and your race will always exist as new mutations will always spring up to fill your climate. Just look at australians, already after only three generations, the angloskin is starting to darken due to the climate in which they live.
Erik, don't be disheartened i think you have hit a nerve that everyone else is afraid to talk about, because they have been so heavily brainwashed into accepting these manly looking women as what is beautiful. Ironically i always thought heidi klum was one of the more attractive of the bunch, but that you have lifted the hood I now realise that she too is manly! I've always believed so many of these so called runway models are quiet hideously manly looking but i thought at least the VS models aren't as manly. I guess i was wrong. But i noticed their face so much more than their bodies, i guess because i'm female, i do like In my mind i thought it was common knowledge that this was due to homosexual males running the fashion industry, i had no idea there were so many people who would disagree with this obvious fact.
I have to make a point though, although i am a hetro female, i've always found effeminate boys far more appealing and find men that are too 'rugged' or 'masculine' to be unappealing. Now that i'm a bit older i can understand the appeal in rugged men but i'm still not really attracted to it. I'm 100% straight, however i think that i do have masculinsation, not in my face but it's clear from my broad shoulders and narrow hips. Perhaps this has something to do with it, i don't know. Or maybe it's because i'm young and i'm attracted to youth not someone that looks like he could already be a dad, you know? I'd be interested to know what your theory is from a scientific stand point.
I think you are confusing masculine with awkward. To be sure, many of those women have awkward features? Masculine? I don't know. I think you are being too picky.
Wow.
I had never realized how racist and supremacist the human race still is.
I'm ashamed to even associate myself with most of you that have posted on this site, but I couldn't read this and not say something.
People are unique. We all have our own distinct DNA, and our own distinct opinions- most importantly for this comment thread we have our own opinions about what makes a person attractive.
Trash talking each other and putting up pictures will not change other people's opinions on what is attractive. This should be evident from how long this fight has been going on and how repetitive this argument has been.
Aside from the racism and futile attempts to change people's opinions here, I'd like to point out that you can't compare scantily clad female models with female soccer players (on the field in uniform especially) from different countries and say that this is definitive proof that a country has unattractive females. That's taking two very distinct nonrandom samples and suggesting those are the norms for both populations which is not true or even close to being statistically sound.
Models should not be used here as they might have had plastic surgery and that could not be well known, and they are the most attractive people from a region, again not representative of a population.
If you guys are serious about continuing this pointless argument or are actually curious about how people of certain descent really look, pick people of the same age to compare and post here, people that you KNOW are 100% of the nationality you are going to assign to them, people posed for this purpose to showcase features and let them have time to present themselves well, or shut up. You can't expect your average Joe or Jane to be more attractive than models, or people going about their everyday business to be prepared to represent their nationality or take an amazing picture.
You all have taken a scientific report and turned it into a racist, supremacist, trash-talking cat fight and have managed to convince no one and just made yourself look petty, shallow, and stupid to those that just happen to be curious about the report.
Please stop.
Sincerely,
Disappointed.
I'm speaking of Emily, and her post on Asian, and biracial people... also the ignorant one who posted about women and their backsides. Such disgusting character oozes from those posts.
Except from the fact that I find the idea of making a site where you pick apart living,human beings deplorable and also I like how you have the nerve to tell people how they have to change themselves.Also,I understand that truly beauty ,as you said,is exclusive by it's nature but how do you dare call some of these women,men.Since pears and hourglasses make up only 30% of all women,there are no more women on earth .Also,many presentations were wrong f.e. when you compared that nordic woman with the latin.whatever girl because the girl was clearly adolescent.And also t5hink about5 the fact that it would not be very comofortable biologically because feminine women would have to pair with feminine men to produce other feminine women.Finally true beauty,is like art,it will always change it;s standards because beauty is not an anatomic analysis.
p.s I also it;s worth noting that even if i am not real looker,i fit most of your standards.
This site is amazingly refreshing. Thank you for being either brave enough or indifferent enough to post such a brazenly objective investigation into femininity. I'm sure you don't hear enough thanks (having just read three years worth of foolish emotional flotsam washed out of pricked and bleeding visitors).
I see many grumblings/bleatings about how we should find every female body type "attractive". This smacks of daytime talkshow pap, served up to Americans who need emotional bandaids for feeling unattractive and worthless (which isn't to say they are, or are not, worthless). Aesthetics, in regards to a particular style, such as "masculinity" or "femininity" or "androgeny" (or "romanticism" or "postmodernism" in equal measure), by their very definition are guided by particular principles (i.e., ideals). A person may find beauty in a Monet painting - but they would be wrong to enjoy it for its "classical" qualities. It would be equally inappropriate to be emotionally hurt, should an indifferent passerby correct them, by pointing out how it typifies "impressionistic" styles/attributes.
If a "heterosexual" man who reads this, discovers that he finds masculine females attractive (think "sticks with tits"), then embrace and bestride them to your lusty content. However, do not believe the women you pursue to uphold the *ideals* of "femininity". Such a sexual preference does not equate to "bad" or "good", however it does not conform with a desire for the archetypal female shape. Male and female are biologic opposites, and their aesthetics are likewise polar in their principles.
The models above may not be exceedingly refined in their features, or symmetrical, but they do *better* represent the "feminine" aesthetic than the Victoria's Secret models. When speaking of a "model," read as, " a representative to draw example from" (i.e., ideal). A model is a poor ideal if it does not typify, or even attempt to approach, the purest form of its purpose (e.g., "She was a model of abstinence," should not mean, "she slept with *less* men than other girls"). Models of female underwear should typify ideal biological female sexual characteristics. Female models may of course also be chosen to represent the artistic vision of a clothing designer, which may include completely negating femininity from a woman - but that is an altogether different animal from lingerie.
Flip the perspective - would the majority of heterosexual women find a man with narrow shoulders, small, delicate bones, a plump bottom, and soft, downy face "masculine"? No, of course they wouldn't - not even if he was "symmetrical". He requires an unconventional mate, but like the rest of us, despite aesthetic inadequacies, he can be happy.
Again, thanks Erik.
"there is no reason to believe that anal sex is a common practice among heterosexual couples"
But it doest mean that men don't wont to watch anal sex, or that they wouldn't practice it if their women allowed them to.
"The most beautiful women (some might say the only truly beautiful women) to do porn were east European (Silvia Saint and Anita Dark). No American female who looks as good (facially at least) has ever opted to work as a porn performer."
Tori black
I am curious why you seem to think the size of the breast renders these women unattractive. Looking at them all (as a bisexual woman) each of these women is in fact very beautiful in her own way. I would have no problem with you having specific preferences, but just because they don't fit into your preferences does not give you any right whatsoever to call them unattractive overall. Just a thought.
I can't begin to imagine the pain and anxiety an anorexic girl must feel, that she gave herself up just to be beautiful. For me, health is the most important thing, I've recently had an yeast infection treatment because I wasn't feeling so well and I realized that if you don't have your health, you have nothing. To conclude, I wouldn't want to be beautiful and sick, I'd rather be healthy and chase after my dreams!
with my educated analysis on melisande's body is you can clearly see that her stomach and her neck are not so streched out due to being a user or dieter her body covers a clean amount of her skeletal figure which in states that she is a healthy and functional woman. in which case those other model pictures shows there complete skeletal figure that can scare some people due to less body fat. melisande has a nice deal of body fat that alows her to look appealing to men especialy with her glutes.along with her healthy skin. from my scientific analysis she is a remarkable female creation. but only scientificly speaking. visualy speaking you have your choice of jugedment.the graph i used to calculate all of her fetures scientificly and visualy, showed remarkable results compared to several models. her facial expresions are 36% higher than a average fashion model which they have only 13 points of facial exppression. melisande's body has a 43.2267% more muscle stimulation than an average model who has only 4 points of muscle stimulation makeing melisande more stimulating than models. the last peace of data was her Clavical and her Platysma for both of them the have 16.5% and 21.386% more show than an average model. for a model only has about 5 points of show and 3 points of show. this is data that says melisande is very beautiful and model are just made to wear clothing not to be a gorgeouse women. also it would look strange to see a model nude.
i think your beautiful. a body like yours is still a site to see. yes people do judge poorly on size and shape. melisande is also right about on why are you guys debating so much on her physical attributes shes a beautiful young girl who is attractive and has a nice body thats not to small or to big shes just right for her hight and weight. and i have seen other pictures of melisande and her skin, smile, stomach, and chest is beautiful. oh and just to let all the others know im a theoretical physisis and a bioengineer whith also the knowledg of anatomy and physology.
this woman is not as obviously masculine, i would have used someone like the much celebrated Cindy Crawford to make your point, she is truly masculine.
Or perhaps is this her true past? Started off as an adolescent boy.
Or perhaps is this her true past? Started off as an adolescent boy.
Sorry i'm still getting a hang of posting images.
Here is another celebrity, lebanese singer Amar as promised, face and figure. You might find women like these will better drill home your point because there is no porn factor detraction. I bet many other nations have the right idea other than america which seems to have taken androgony too far. It's important to note that these two women are awful singers and are popular mostly due to their looks.
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Images that actually work. The first few are of haifa and the others of a different singer named amar. Both highly feminine north west middle easterners and both celebrated beauties in countries where hetro not homo males are incharge.first here is haifa i will post amar after
Oh my god you are soo right.
I think this worship of masculine woman is really a western thing though. In the middle east female idols are hyperfeminine in figure and face.
Feminine beauty is indeed idolised just not in your nations. I'm sure you can find better examples of day to day feminine women unfortunately photos of them are not very available where you come from because they aren't popular.
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I happen to be 100% middle eastern syrian with white skin, light hair and eyes. It so happens that it is from where i live that the fair skin mutation spread to your previous nomadic area. Your race is nothing but a mutation caused by your climate, so is mine, just give it a few generations and your race will always exist as new mutations will always spring up to fill your climate. Just look at australians, already after only three generations, the angloskin is starting to darken due to the climate in which they live.
nelie : I happen to be middle eastern and white, you ignorant fool.
Erik, don't be disheartened i think you have hit a nerve that everyone else is afraid to talk about, because they have been so heavily brainwashed into accepting these manly looking women as what is beautiful. Ironically i always thought heidi klum was one of the more attractive of the bunch, but that you have lifted the hood I now realise that she too is manly! I've always believed so many of these so called runway models are quiet hideously manly looking but i thought at least the VS models aren't as manly. I guess i was wrong. But i noticed their face so much more than their bodies, i guess because i'm female, i do like In my mind i thought it was common knowledge that this was due to homosexual males running the fashion industry, i had no idea there were so many people who would disagree with this obvious fact.
I have to make a point though, although i am a hetro female, i've always found effeminate boys far more appealing and find men that are too 'rugged' or 'masculine' to be unappealing. Now that i'm a bit older i can understand the appeal in rugged men but i'm still not really attracted to it. I'm 100% straight, however i think that i do have masculinsation, not in my face but it's clear from my broad shoulders and narrow hips. Perhaps this has something to do with it, i don't know. Or maybe it's because i'm young and i'm attracted to youth not someone that looks like he could already be a dad, you know? I'd be interested to know what your theory is from a scientific stand point.
I think you are confusing masculine with awkward. To be sure, many of those women have awkward features? Masculine? I don't know. I think you are being too picky.
Wow.
I had never realized how racist and supremacist the human race still is.
I'm ashamed to even associate myself with most of you that have posted on this site, but I couldn't read this and not say something.
People are unique. We all have our own distinct DNA, and our own distinct opinions- most importantly for this comment thread we have our own opinions about what makes a person attractive.
Trash talking each other and putting up pictures will not change other people's opinions on what is attractive. This should be evident from how long this fight has been going on and how repetitive this argument has been.
Aside from the racism and futile attempts to change people's opinions here, I'd like to point out that you can't compare scantily clad female models with female soccer players (on the field in uniform especially) from different countries and say that this is definitive proof that a country has unattractive females. That's taking two very distinct nonrandom samples and suggesting those are the norms for both populations which is not true or even close to being statistically sound.
Models should not be used here as they might have had plastic surgery and that could not be well known, and they are the most attractive people from a region, again not representative of a population.
If you guys are serious about continuing this pointless argument or are actually curious about how people of certain descent really look, pick people of the same age to compare and post here, people that you KNOW are 100% of the nationality you are going to assign to them, people posed for this purpose to showcase features and let them have time to present themselves well, or shut up. You can't expect your average Joe or Jane to be more attractive than models, or people going about their everyday business to be prepared to represent their nationality or take an amazing picture.
You all have taken a scientific report and turned it into a racist, supremacist, trash-talking cat fight and have managed to convince no one and just made yourself look petty, shallow, and stupid to those that just happen to be curious about the report.
Please stop.
Sincerely,
Disappointed.
Tell us how you really feel...
This is true.
Ignorant.
Oh...also narrow-minded, and unbearably ignorant.
You do not know what beauty is. Nasty, you are... surface, shallow and racist. Ugh.
I'm speaking of Emily, and her post on Asian, and biracial people... also the ignorant one who posted about women and their backsides. Such disgusting character oozes from those posts.
This is disgusting, you are obviously so prejudiced. Such ugly, racist comments. Disgusting, you are.
Except from the fact that I find the idea of making a site where you pick apart living,human beings deplorable and also I like how you have the nerve to tell people how they have to change themselves.Also,I understand that truly beauty ,as you said,is exclusive by it's nature but how do you dare call some of these women,men.Since pears and hourglasses make up only 30% of all women,there are no more women on earth .Also,many presentations were wrong f.e. when you compared that nordic woman with the latin.whatever girl because the girl was clearly adolescent.And also t5hink about5 the fact that it would not be very comofortable biologically because feminine women would have to pair with feminine men to produce other feminine women.Finally true beauty,is like art,it will always change it;s standards because beauty is not an anatomic analysis.
p.s I also it;s worth noting that even if i am not real looker,i fit most of your standards.
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