I must admit the CFDA's "guidelines" are a disappointment, if not a surprise. They could/should have gone much further. Their recommendations are essentially useless and show a complete disregard not only for the health of their models, but for the public's growing repugnance for the so-called "heroin chic" look.
Demanding models maintain a BMI of around 18 (or using some other measure that demonstrated these girls' weights fall within normal healthy parameters)would have helped immeasurably. The comment about a lot of models being "genetically thin" was laughable as a BMI of 18 IS already quite thin: Anything much below that is bordering on emaciation.
I agree that without policing, these guidelines are merely rhetoric, quickly forgotten.
Sorry but your feminines womans are fat and not beautiful !!!
I prefer Gisèle as this big cow !!!
If you like women to reproduction : good for you !
but sexy is not that…
androginy is not a fatality !!!
Disagee totally. "Fat" is "overweight" and "unhealthy", and most womenfolk in the developed world fight with others' perception of media-controlled "beauty". If you're skinny, that's the cards your genetics have dealt you, but it is also not the norm.
Kimberly: Controlling for ancestry, taller women tend to be less feminine, on average, but there are no problems finding plenty of feminine tall women. Many factors apart from androgens determine height. In addition, the proportion of tall women among glamour models is a lot less than among high-fashion models, almost all of whom are tall.
Your reference to the porn industry is uncalled for here. The women shown above, except for Cardinal Cyn, are nude models and some of them at most involve themselves in dildo insertions or simulated lesbian activity on camera. None of them appear to have breast implants. Hip width in these women is variable, ranging from somewhat narrow (Marketa Brymova) to normal (Marketa Belonoha) and wide (Evelyn Lori, Sheila Grant). Anyway, there are plenty of masculinized nude models around, but this is of little relevance here.
I am not aware of people in some Asian cultures sometimes opting for pubic hair transplants, but assuming that instances of pubic hair removal on the part of a number of Western nude models has anything to do with “sexualizing underaged aesthetics” is absurd. Heterosexual men with a preference for a hair-free pubic region prefer labia that suggest physical maturity rather than a pubic region where the labia are underdeveloped. In nude photography, a number of heterosexual men would not want the labia obscured by pubic hair, which would explain the trimming/shaving off of pubic hair in several cases. Some Western heterosexual men are also into hairy women.
Men don’t still email me about Victoria’s Secret models being hot. I got some such comments after describing the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show as a transsexual parade; this was before I started addressing Victoria’s Secret models, and no heterosexual man has since disputed my assessment of these models.
You have accused me of knowing nothing about how the media harm women. This is far from true. There is a prominent eating disorders page within this site, linked to at the top of each page, that addresses the harm caused to many women by high-fashion imagery. There are people behind the media, and I have identified who precisely are the culprits when it comes to the high status of very skinny high-fashion models, which is important knowledge in that a number of affected women who have come to associate the looks of high-fashion models with “perfection” need to know just whose idea of “perfection” is the skinny and masculine look. Blaming it on the media doesn’t help convince affected women that “perfection” does not lie in a skinny look.
You have accused me of objectifying women. If one had to examine women’s personality, one could have them take an MMPI-2 questionnaire and then examine the answers. I don’t think you would call it objectification. If one had to examine women’s intelligence, one could have them take a WAIS-R test. I don’t think you would call this objectification either. If one had to assess women’s physical attractiveness, then what option is there other than looking at the women? What makes this objectification? Don’t tell me that assessing attractiveness itself constitutes objectification. Attractiveness assessment is required in a number of scenarios, and is imperative if one is to combat the negative influence of skinny high-fashion models since the negatively affected women have come to believe that attractiveness lies in skinniness.
Am I promoting my own aesthetic standards? If the attractive women section were filled with obese women and all comparisons involving fashion models used obese women, would you have left the comment above? A specific aesthetic standard/look cannot be promoted by merely showcasing some women and contrasting them with women of a different physical type. One has to associate the specific aesthetic standard/look with high status in order to make it desirable, and gay fashion designers have achieved this by using skinny models to sell designer clothing to a public that has a strong interest in being well-dressed. What have I done that is comparable? Nothing other than just showing women, sometimes in the form of side-by-side comparisons. There is no way this would promote feminine beauty unless most people already harbored a feminine beauty ideal. This site will have a significant impact at some point, and it will be because most people intrinsically harbor a feminine beauty ideal.
You could easily prove that your physique is more feminine than those of the women above by emailing your pictures to me. I am always looking for women with feminine physiques, and I could use your pictures if you are willing. Besides, your comment suggests that you don’t like the feminine beauty promotion part of this site, which would be strange for a feminine woman unless she happened to harbor very high standards for herself and this site simply reinforced these very high standards. If this is the case, at least you cannot blame me for your own internal high standards.
Instead of asking me to communicate differently in order to better help women, it would be more useful to me if you specified how. Anyway, I will address the sexiness of the women above at a later date.
at this point--i want you to note--the comparison between the girl i posted and adriana--doesn't it make it easier for viewers to notice adriana is masculine?
I don't believe that they are much less masculine than VS models. They are tall (a genetically-mediated trait that is exclusively caused by high androgen levels during puberty!) Taller women invariably have stronger brow ridges and more masculine-patterned hairlines. Take a look for yourself above.
This just goes to show that even many "glamour models" (let's call it what it is: girls who enter the porn industry) also seem to exhibit the aggressive nature that may have helped influence their decision of going into a "profession" that most females regard as grossly irresponsible to other women. Most of these so-called sexy women also have narrowed hips and small implants! The classic pose of thrusting one's hip to the side to compensate for a lack of a natural, rounded projection is evident here as well. You can dice it anyway you want, but much of the glamour ideal is less about masculinized supermodel aesthetics, and more about sexualizing underaged aesthetics. While some Asian cultures have surgeries to receive pubic hair transplants, women here emulate prepubescent aesthetics which have become popular. Tall glamour models don't necessarily appear tall in the photos without real-world indicators of scale, but in photos and on TV, it helps approximate the more gangly coltish appearance of a 12 year old going through an awkward phase. This ALSO hurts women. Your site is informative, but potentially painful for women, as it is misguided. Perhaps your defensive replies to women who vocalize how this hurts them will eventually morph into understanding what they are actually trying to communicate to you, but you just don't get it. Like the men who still e-mail you saying VS girls are hot, YOU also just don't get it. Your site has the potential to help women who often blame themselves rather than the media, but I feel like this site is absolutely more self-serving and ignorant than anything else. You know NOTHING of how the media harms women, for you are the worst objectifier of all! Promoting your "aesthetic standard"...oh, thank you soooo much. Although I can't prove it, believe me, I am not defending my own ego, as I have a more feminized figure than all of the women above (and that's not code for "I'm a Secret Fatty"), but your disregard of the points women try to make when they e-mail you is just marginalizing women further. I'm sure you could care less about truly understanding what I'm saying, and will continue defending your own position.
Sorry for not doing your condescending "homework," oh great educator of women and men!
I must again reiterate that there is a lot of good here, and you could really help women in particular with these illustrations of your contention, but something is still off. You could communicate differently if you really did put yourself in women's shoes to understand how they feel insidiously victimized by this sick, degrading culture. But your equally marginalizing attitude still shines through.
phred: You have not seen any skull diagrams, tables, numerical data and citations from peer-reviewed journals on a number of pages within this site? I hope that you are aware that bearing false witness (Exodus 20:16, Deuteronomy 5:20, Luke 3:14) and lying (Proverbs 6:16-19) are sins.
Kristin: Of course, Adriana’s thick lips are not indicative of femininity when her whole-face appearance doesn’t look feminine. This is why I asked people to discern whether there is something masculine about her face notwithstanding her thick lips and non-angular features. Anyway, you are mistaken about Europeans not being able to become brown; many sure can. Here is a Northern European:
I have seen more extreme examples among Northern Europeans, and southern Europeans can become darker still.
phred: Dasha’s freckles make her face look masculine to you? Compare face shape. On second thought, you cannot be helped by this site!
If you are a Christian, since your salvation depends on righteous living, I hope that you are aware that you are committing numerous sins here. Your sins: looking at imagery that may induce lust (Job 31:11-12; Matthew 5:28), character assassination (in a separate thread involving Andrea from glamour.cz; Jeremiah 20:10) and lying (in a separate thread where you pretend that you have not seen any scientific/medical references within this site; Proverbs 6:16-19).
SkinnyGirlMasculinized: There is nothing wrong with being androgynous. However, androgynous women are not suitable for lingerie modeling. Between Gisele and the “cow,” which one do you think the typical heterosexual man would want to "milk"?
phred: You ignore pictures of Alessandra like this, which show her to be much more bustier than her earlier pictures even though she is masculine and very skinny elsewhere, and paraphrase a statement by her to argue that she has not had breast implants. What is this?
You did not mention which article in National Geographic. Anyway, it is known that an increase in poverty forces more women into prostitution, but the actual proportion of women involved remains low for countries like the Czech Republic, and these women would typically be less attractive than Andrea. Andrea can make money from glamour modeling, and surely does not need to prostitute herself to make ends meet.
Hans: Please stop posting off-topic comments here; email them to me instead. An A-level student like you cannot figure out why there are plenty of masculinized women around? Look up sexually antagonistic selection.
Kristin and Madeline: Both of you have neglected the two questions asked in the entry, namely, what, if anything, on average distinguishes these women from the women in the attractive women section and what is your estimate of heterosexual men’s sexiness ratings of these women, on average, compared to that of the women shown in the attractive women section? Your personal ratings are not relevant to understanding what is sexy as far as lifetime-exclusive heterosexual men are concerned.
Jonathan: Spamming is not allowed. Do not leave the same comment in multiple entries and in entries where they don’t belong. Your comment is useless. Time for you to learn to not judge a book by its cover. Your inference that the women in the attractive women section are non-discriminating cheap-prostitute types is unwarranted. Besides, what matters to this site is looks, not behavior. Controlling for behavior, if you prefer the “classy” looks of high-fashion models to the looks of the feminine women in the attractive women section then my gaydar reads that you are a homosexual or bisexual.
i think the average cute girl can be considered sexy--not everyone needs to be exotic. key examples would be beyonce, scarlett johansson, jenn9ifer love hewitt--are are viewed as sexy---fir having a regular but pretty(girly) appearance
what a moron you are!!!! as a man I find your thoughts stupid and archaic. Go back to the cave you crawled out of. All women have their own look and they are all sexy in their own way. Its like saying a garden is only pretty if it had roses in it. Its prettier with violets and dandilions and other types of flowers too. I have been with many women in my life, not out of desperation, but out of mutual liking and they all had their own unique look and charm. Not one of them resembled the other in any way physically but I liked all of them.
Those pics you put up of those girls are as easy as piece of cake. They will give it up to anyone for 50 dollars and an ice cream cone. I like to find a woman with class and fashion models charge for their time and Im sure thats whats pissing you off because they just wont give you the time of day.
first marketa is just average in face and body. caasie has a good figure, cute face but the way she poses(ugh) brigette has a beautiful face her figure has some good pints(her legs). the second marketa looks a smidge boyish. she has a lot of pop(tall, blonde, thin)--but no fizzle(lacks what makes christie brinkley so cute). cardinal is a goodlooking woma--especially for her age. she has a great body, her face would be better if it wasn't so long. sheila is a lil manly cuz she is so bigboned.---makes her look like a bar wench. maria is not cute(icky body---looks like a lil boy. kiraly's brows are too deepset. evelyn's face is ok--but her body is so manly. ivette's face is too angular... erik--is part of the reason ur having a hard time finding femme mediterannean women because you don't factor in women from that gene pool tend to have stronger noses, more angular faces?
I went over this site, and what is scientific or medical? "Action Girls"? "Domai"? "glamour.cz"?
Maybe you would like to rephrase your statement, because it contradicts the sources I've spotted so far.
1) I apologize about the deletions misunderstanding.
2)
a) The model I meant was the first comparison, Dasha. She's got freckles from forehead to chin, and they kind of remind me of scabs. That also makes her look masculine to me.
b) I am assuredly not a homosexual. I have a girlfriend, I am Christian (which means I was taught not to agree with hoomosexuality), and I work around too many fruits to find it appealing in the least (I mean QUARK-sized. Look up quark for future reference).
Okay, Erik: there are two things you need to start reading: National Geographic and Wikipedia.
1) Alessandra stated that her first and only plastic surgery was on her ears, and that she didn't want to go through the pain again (I'm paraphrasing here).
2)Nat. Geo. stated that the economy in The Czech Republic was becoming poor through the recent reforms, therefore forcing many young ladies into "putting their bodies on sale."
I never used Andrea as a way to promote the other ladies, or said that she WAS a prostie. I meant she MIGHT be, possibly involuntarily.Thank you and have a nice day.
my pint eric--is that if you took in account her black and asian ancestry--you would see that her having full cheeks and lips is not a sign of feminity as much as ethnicity---and no--normal europeans do not get that tan--- only women of color get the jennifer lopez bronze. here is a pic of my friend--who is black, filipino, and white---and you can compare that to adriana---(although there are tons of lighter skinned blacks in america and s. america with this lineage---tons. its the girlkl all the way to the right---and her face is obviously more feminine than adriana's
phred: The deletions happened before this entry was posted, and were surely not based on my comment about massaging her. As far as masculine and boyish go, if she were otherwise, she would have found such labels amusing and would have left the links to give others a good laugh, but Alessandra knows how “feminine” she is and does not want others to realize the extent of her “femininity.”
I have compared Alessandra to three women on this page, and I do not know which one you have referred to as the one seemingly repeatedly shot in the face, but this is a comment I would normally expect from annoyed homosexuals who have no counter argument.
phred: If fashion designers thought that the likes of Alessandra were masculine, they wouldn’t be where they are now? Are you insane? Alessandra Ambrosio is where she is now because of her masculinization; if she were feminine she would most likely not be a fashion model.
Regardless of Alessandra’s professed views on cosmetic surgery, she appears to have sported breast implants for some time. When a skinny, masculine and small-breasted young adult woman like Alessandra starts packing a prominent bust without having gained fat elsewhere, what is the most likely inference?
The Czech Republic is notorious for young ladies voluntarily being prostitutes? I’ll have to say this is B.S. Besides, your attempt to suggest that Andrea may be a prostitute does not make Alessandra Ambrosio, Jessica Alba and Adriana Lima look feminine. Further, the era when women involved in nude/semi-nude modeling were prostitutes is long past.
Madeline: Skinny as in “thin and healthy” is not what I have described as something considered socially unacceptable by most people in Western societies. Read the entry linked to; the typical skinniness of high-fashion models is what is considered socially unacceptable by most people in Western societies. It is true that between slender/slim and overweight women, Western men generally prefer the slim ones, but slim here is much fleshier than the typically anorexic-looking high-fashion model.
As far as the likes of Gisele and Alessandra being praised goes, this praise is coming from the fashion industry, which shouldn’t be surprising, but these women are envied by few. Get women to go through pages within this site where the physiques of Gisele and Alessandra are addressed, and it is a guarantee that fewer still will remain in envy of their looks.
I must admit the CFDA's "guidelines" are a disappointment, if not a surprise. They could/should have gone much further. Their recommendations are essentially useless and show a complete disregard not only for the health of their models, but for the public's growing repugnance for the so-called "heroin chic" look.
Demanding models maintain a BMI of around 18 (or using some other measure that demonstrated these girls' weights fall within normal healthy parameters)would have helped immeasurably. The comment about a lot of models being "genetically thin" was laughable as a BMI of 18 IS already quite thin: Anything much below that is bordering on emaciation.
I agree that without policing, these guidelines are merely rhetoric, quickly forgotten.
Sorry but your feminines womans are fat and not beautiful !!!
I prefer Gisèle as this big cow !!!
If you like women to reproduction : good for you !
but sexy is not that…
androginy is not a fatality !!!
Disagee totally. "Fat" is "overweight" and "unhealthy", and most womenfolk in the developed world fight with others' perception of media-controlled "beauty". If you're skinny, that's the cards your genetics have dealt you, but it is also not the norm.
Besides, I don't sleep with gnomes...
Kimberly: Controlling for ancestry, taller women tend to be less feminine, on average, but there are no problems finding plenty of feminine tall women. Many factors apart from androgens determine height. In addition, the proportion of tall women among glamour models is a lot less than among high-fashion models, almost all of whom are tall.
Your reference to the porn industry is uncalled for here. The women shown above, except for Cardinal Cyn, are nude models and some of them at most involve themselves in dildo insertions or simulated lesbian activity on camera. None of them appear to have breast implants. Hip width in these women is variable, ranging from somewhat narrow (Marketa Brymova) to normal (Marketa Belonoha) and wide (Evelyn Lori, Sheila Grant). Anyway, there are plenty of masculinized nude models around, but this is of little relevance here.
I am not aware of people in some Asian cultures sometimes opting for pubic hair transplants, but assuming that instances of pubic hair removal on the part of a number of Western nude models has anything to do with “sexualizing underaged aesthetics” is absurd. Heterosexual men with a preference for a hair-free pubic region prefer labia that suggest physical maturity rather than a pubic region where the labia are underdeveloped. In nude photography, a number of heterosexual men would not want the labia obscured by pubic hair, which would explain the trimming/shaving off of pubic hair in several cases. Some Western heterosexual men are also into hairy women.
Men don’t still email me about Victoria’s Secret models being hot. I got some such comments after describing the Victoria’s Secret lingerie show as a transsexual parade; this was before I started addressing Victoria’s Secret models, and no heterosexual man has since disputed my assessment of these models.
You have accused me of knowing nothing about how the media harm women. This is far from true. There is a prominent eating disorders page within this site, linked to at the top of each page, that addresses the harm caused to many women by high-fashion imagery. There are people behind the media, and I have identified who precisely are the culprits when it comes to the high status of very skinny high-fashion models, which is important knowledge in that a number of affected women who have come to associate the looks of high-fashion models with “perfection” need to know just whose idea of “perfection” is the skinny and masculine look. Blaming it on the media doesn’t help convince affected women that “perfection” does not lie in a skinny look.
You have accused me of objectifying women. If one had to examine women’s personality, one could have them take an MMPI-2 questionnaire and then examine the answers. I don’t think you would call it objectification. If one had to examine women’s intelligence, one could have them take a WAIS-R test. I don’t think you would call this objectification either. If one had to assess women’s physical attractiveness, then what option is there other than looking at the women? What makes this objectification? Don’t tell me that assessing attractiveness itself constitutes objectification. Attractiveness assessment is required in a number of scenarios, and is imperative if one is to combat the negative influence of skinny high-fashion models since the negatively affected women have come to believe that attractiveness lies in skinniness.
Am I promoting my own aesthetic standards? If the attractive women section were filled with obese women and all comparisons involving fashion models used obese women, would you have left the comment above? A specific aesthetic standard/look cannot be promoted by merely showcasing some women and contrasting them with women of a different physical type. One has to associate the specific aesthetic standard/look with high status in order to make it desirable, and gay fashion designers have achieved this by using skinny models to sell designer clothing to a public that has a strong interest in being well-dressed. What have I done that is comparable? Nothing other than just showing women, sometimes in the form of side-by-side comparisons. There is no way this would promote feminine beauty unless most people already harbored a feminine beauty ideal. This site will have a significant impact at some point, and it will be because most people intrinsically harbor a feminine beauty ideal.
You could easily prove that your physique is more feminine than those of the women above by emailing your pictures to me. I am always looking for women with feminine physiques, and I could use your pictures if you are willing. Besides, your comment suggests that you don’t like the feminine beauty promotion part of this site, which would be strange for a feminine woman unless she happened to harbor very high standards for herself and this site simply reinforced these very high standards. If this is the case, at least you cannot blame me for your own internal high standards.
Instead of asking me to communicate differently in order to better help women, it would be more useful to me if you specified how. Anyway, I will address the sexiness of the women above at a later date.
Kristin: Yes, your friend is a good choice when it comes to clarifying Adriana’s facial masculinization.
at this point--i want you to note--the comparison between the girl i posted and adriana--doesn't it make it easier for viewers to notice adriana is masculine?
I don't believe that they are much less masculine than VS models. They are tall (a genetically-mediated trait that is exclusively caused by high androgen levels during puberty!) Taller women invariably have stronger brow ridges and more masculine-patterned hairlines. Take a look for yourself above.
This just goes to show that even many "glamour models" (let's call it what it is: girls who enter the porn industry) also seem to exhibit the aggressive nature that may have helped influence their decision of going into a "profession" that most females regard as grossly irresponsible to other women. Most of these so-called sexy women also have narrowed hips and small implants! The classic pose of thrusting one's hip to the side to compensate for a lack of a natural, rounded projection is evident here as well. You can dice it anyway you want, but much of the glamour ideal is less about masculinized supermodel aesthetics, and more about sexualizing underaged aesthetics. While some Asian cultures have surgeries to receive pubic hair transplants, women here emulate prepubescent aesthetics which have become popular. Tall glamour models don't necessarily appear tall in the photos without real-world indicators of scale, but in photos and on TV, it helps approximate the more gangly coltish appearance of a 12 year old going through an awkward phase. This ALSO hurts women. Your site is informative, but potentially painful for women, as it is misguided. Perhaps your defensive replies to women who vocalize how this hurts them will eventually morph into understanding what they are actually trying to communicate to you, but you just don't get it. Like the men who still e-mail you saying VS girls are hot, YOU also just don't get it. Your site has the potential to help women who often blame themselves rather than the media, but I feel like this site is absolutely more self-serving and ignorant than anything else. You know NOTHING of how the media harms women, for you are the worst objectifier of all! Promoting your "aesthetic standard"...oh, thank you soooo much. Although I can't prove it, believe me, I am not defending my own ego, as I have a more feminized figure than all of the women above (and that's not code for "I'm a Secret Fatty"), but your disregard of the points women try to make when they e-mail you is just marginalizing women further. I'm sure you could care less about truly understanding what I'm saying, and will continue defending your own position.
Sorry for not doing your condescending "homework," oh great educator of women and men!
I must again reiterate that there is a lot of good here, and you could really help women in particular with these illustrations of your contention, but something is still off. You could communicate differently if you really did put yourself in women's shoes to understand how they feel insidiously victimized by this sick, degrading culture. But your equally marginalizing attitude still shines through.
phred: You have not seen any skull diagrams, tables, numerical data and citations from peer-reviewed journals on a number of pages within this site? I hope that you are aware that bearing false witness (Exodus 20:16, Deuteronomy 5:20, Luke 3:14) and lying (Proverbs 6:16-19) are sins.
Kristin: Of course, Adriana’s thick lips are not indicative of femininity when her whole-face appearance doesn’t look feminine. This is why I asked people to discern whether there is something masculine about her face notwithstanding her thick lips and non-angular features. Anyway, you are mistaken about Europeans not being able to become brown; many sure can. Here is a Northern European:
I have seen more extreme examples among Northern Europeans, and southern Europeans can become darker still.
phred: Dasha’s freckles make her face look masculine to you? Compare face shape. On second thought, you cannot be helped by this site!
If you are a Christian, since your salvation depends on righteous living, I hope that you are aware that you are committing numerous sins here. Your sins: looking at imagery that may induce lust (Job 31:11-12; Matthew 5:28), character assassination (in a separate thread involving Andrea from glamour.cz; Jeremiah 20:10) and lying (in a separate thread where you pretend that you have not seen any scientific/medical references within this site; Proverbs 6:16-19).
SkinnyGirlMasculinized: There is nothing wrong with being androgynous. However, androgynous women are not suitable for lingerie modeling. Between Gisele and the “cow,” which one do you think the typical heterosexual man would want to "milk"?
phred: You ignore pictures of Alessandra like this, which show her to be much more bustier than her earlier pictures even though she is masculine and very skinny elsewhere, and paraphrase a statement by her to argue that she has not had breast implants. What is this?
You did not mention which article in National Geographic. Anyway, it is known that an increase in poverty forces more women into prostitution, but the actual proportion of women involved remains low for countries like the Czech Republic, and these women would typically be less attractive than Andrea. Andrea can make money from glamour modeling, and surely does not need to prostitute herself to make ends meet.
Hans: Please stop posting off-topic comments here; email them to me instead. An A-level student like you cannot figure out why there are plenty of masculinized women around? Look up sexually antagonistic selection.
Kristin and Madeline: Both of you have neglected the two questions asked in the entry, namely, what, if anything, on average distinguishes these women from the women in the attractive women section and what is your estimate of heterosexual men’s sexiness ratings of these women, on average, compared to that of the women shown in the attractive women section? Your personal ratings are not relevant to understanding what is sexy as far as lifetime-exclusive heterosexual men are concerned.
Jonathan: Spamming is not allowed. Do not leave the same comment in multiple entries and in entries where they don’t belong. Your comment is useless. Time for you to learn to not judge a book by its cover. Your inference that the women in the attractive women section are non-discriminating cheap-prostitute types is unwarranted. Besides, what matters to this site is looks, not behavior. Controlling for behavior, if you prefer the “classy” looks of high-fashion models to the looks of the feminine women in the attractive women section then my gaydar reads that you are a homosexual or bisexual.
i think the average cute girl can be considered sexy--not everyone needs to be exotic. key examples would be beyonce, scarlett johansson, jenn9ifer love hewitt--are are viewed as sexy---fir having a regular but pretty(girly) appearance
what a moron you are!!!! as a man I find your thoughts stupid and archaic. Go back to the cave you crawled out of. All women have their own look and they are all sexy in their own way. Its like saying a garden is only pretty if it had roses in it. Its prettier with violets and dandilions and other types of flowers too. I have been with many women in my life, not out of desperation, but out of mutual liking and they all had their own unique look and charm. Not one of them resembled the other in any way physically but I liked all of them.
Those pics you put up of those girls are as easy as piece of cake. They will give it up to anyone for 50 dollars and an ice cream cone. I like to find a woman with class and fashion models charge for their time and Im sure thats whats pissing you off because they just wont give you the time of day.
How come there are so many women with masculine features?
shows what bad taste you have, kristin. brigitte is far from having a "beautiful face". in fact, she's the ugliest one of them all.
if these women are sexy, then sexy means average.
first marketa is just average in face and body. caasie has a good figure, cute face but the way she poses(ugh) brigette has a beautiful face her figure has some good pints(her legs). the second marketa looks a smidge boyish. she has a lot of pop(tall, blonde, thin)--but no fizzle(lacks what makes christie brinkley so cute). cardinal is a goodlooking woma--especially for her age. she has a great body, her face would be better if it wasn't so long. sheila is a lil manly cuz she is so bigboned.---makes her look like a bar wench. maria is not cute(icky body---looks like a lil boy. kiraly's brows are too deepset. evelyn's face is ok--but her body is so manly. ivette's face is too angular... erik--is part of the reason ur having a hard time finding femme mediterannean women because you don't factor in women from that gene pool tend to have stronger noses, more angular faces?
I went over this site, and what is scientific or medical? "Action Girls"? "Domai"? "glamour.cz"?
Maybe you would like to rephrase your statement, because it contradicts the sources I've spotted so far.
Just re-read my source, and I was wrong about the first comments about the Czechs. Sorry about the confusion.
1) I apologize about the deletions misunderstanding.
2)
a) The model I meant was the first comparison, Dasha. She's got freckles from forehead to chin, and they kind of remind me of scabs. That also makes her look masculine to me.
b) I am assuredly not a homosexual. I have a girlfriend, I am Christian (which means I was taught not to agree with hoomosexuality), and I work around too many fruits to find it appealing in the least (I mean QUARK-sized. Look up quark for future reference).
Thank you and have a nice day.
Okay, Erik: there are two things you need to start reading: National Geographic and Wikipedia.
1) Alessandra stated that her first and only plastic surgery was on her ears, and that she didn't want to go through the pain again (I'm paraphrasing here).
2)Nat. Geo. stated that the economy in The Czech Republic was becoming poor through the recent reforms, therefore forcing many young ladies into "putting their bodies on sale."
I never used Andrea as a way to promote the other ladies, or said that she WAS a prostie. I meant she MIGHT be, possibly involuntarily.Thank you and have a nice day.
my pint eric--is that if you took in account her black and asian ancestry--you would see that her having full cheeks and lips is not a sign of feminity as much as ethnicity---and no--normal europeans do not get that tan--- only women of color get the jennifer lopez bronze. here is a pic of my friend--who is black, filipino, and white---and you can compare that to adriana---(although there are tons of lighter skinned blacks in america and s. america with this lineage---tons. its the girlkl all the way to the right---and her face is obviously more feminine than adriana's
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phred: The deletions happened before this entry was posted, and were surely not based on my comment about massaging her. As far as masculine and boyish go, if she were otherwise, she would have found such labels amusing and would have left the links to give others a good laugh, but Alessandra knows how “feminine” she is and does not want others to realize the extent of her “femininity.”
I have compared Alessandra to three women on this page, and I do not know which one you have referred to as the one seemingly repeatedly shot in the face, but this is a comment I would normally expect from annoyed homosexuals who have no counter argument.
phred: If fashion designers thought that the likes of Alessandra were masculine, they wouldn’t be where they are now? Are you insane? Alessandra Ambrosio is where she is now because of her masculinization; if she were feminine she would most likely not be a fashion model.
Regardless of Alessandra’s professed views on cosmetic surgery, she appears to have sported breast implants for some time. When a skinny, masculine and small-breasted young adult woman like Alessandra starts packing a prominent bust without having gained fat elsewhere, what is the most likely inference?
The Czech Republic is notorious for young ladies voluntarily being prostitutes? I’ll have to say this is B.S. Besides, your attempt to suggest that Andrea may be a prostitute does not make Alessandra Ambrosio, Jessica Alba and Adriana Lima look feminine. Further, the era when women involved in nude/semi-nude modeling were prostitutes is long past.
Madeline: Skinny as in “thin and healthy” is not what I have described as something considered socially unacceptable by most people in Western societies. Read the entry linked to; the typical skinniness of high-fashion models is what is considered socially unacceptable by most people in Western societies. It is true that between slender/slim and overweight women, Western men generally prefer the slim ones, but slim here is much fleshier than the typically anorexic-looking high-fashion model.
As far as the likes of Gisele and Alessandra being praised goes, this praise is coming from the fashion industry, which shouldn’t be surprising, but these women are envied by few. Get women to go through pages within this site where the physiques of Gisele and Alessandra are addressed, and it is a guarantee that fewer still will remain in envy of their looks.
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