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Mon, 09/25/2006 - 01:43 adam Elle MacPherson vs. Monica from FTV girls

no contest hear elle is the best there is the best there was and the best there ever will be.

Sun, 09/24/2006 - 22:04 Erik Nonheterosexual vs. heterosexual male preference for petite women: Alessandra Ambrosio vs. Camille

Hans: offers some interesting data, but I have previously addressed the shortcomings of its Virtual Miss Germany section as well as its use of Kate Moss to illustrate an example of how more childlike faces in women (pedomorphy) are a correlate of attractiveness. Elsewhere, I have pointed out that pedomorphy is not a correlate of beauty, but more childlike features in women that are seen as more attractive are preferred not because they are more childlike but because they represent either above average femininity and/or gracilization.

Sun, 09/24/2006 - 21:48 Erik Welcome!

Jill: You have not read the site carefully enough. The main site purpose is to promote feminine beauty, and some other purposes include promoting high aesthetic standards among models, educating the public about the nature of aesthetics, helping protect some young women from believing that they need to be skinny in order to look attractive and also providing some information about how one can make oneself more attractive.

This site is not about taking jobs away from masculine female models; this is simply not happening as long as gays dominate the fashion business. However, the looks of high-fashion models need to occupy a niche, namely fashion shows and fashion magazines, rather than be held as the reference standard and trickle down to beauty pageants and mainstream publications/shows catering to heterosexual men.

This site focuses on beauty pageant contestants and models, and is concerned with how these women look rather than how women in general look. In many scenarios, models need to look feminine but are masculine, and you have beauty pageants catering to the general public where the majority of participants are masculinized women even though the public overwhelmingly prefers women with above average feminine looks. Therefore, there is a legitimate concern with how models in many scenarios and beauty pageant contestants should look like, but this does not mean that there is anything within this site along the lines of how women in general should like.

This site is far from being an equivalent of the fashion business when it comes to consequences for women. For instance, promotion of feminine beauty will hardly correspond to promoting unhealthy lifestyles among women. Indeed, unhealthy lifestyles such as unnecessary dieting, smoking to lose weight or excessive exercise will undermine femininity. You have mentioned the issue of breast implants. As this site makes it clear, femininity does not lie in a single trait such as large breasts since there are feminine women with small breasts and masculinized women with large breasts. Therefore, a small-breasted masculinized woman may get breast implants, but they will look fake, and what do you think this woman will be able to do to make her broad rib cage, broad shoulders and large feet more feminine? Nothing with current medical technology. Besides, multiple plastic surgeries are likely to be too expensive and if you also add the surgical risks, few women are likely to undergo multiple cosmetic surgeries. On the other hand, if more women are prompted to use simple cosmetic procedures with minimal risks, then what is the harm in making oneself more beautiful?

Body image issues are another concern. It is obvious that several women going through this site will not be particularly pleased that they are not close to being examples of feminine beauty, but most women should already be aware of this, and as I have pointed out elsewhere, one should make the most of what one has rather than sulk about one’s shortcomings; most people are going to fall short of the best characteristics/abilities found among humans. In addition, if women had to aspire toward some specific looks, they had best aspire toward feminine beauty from a health, fertility and fecundity standpoint. It may be argued that women should not have to aspire toward any kind of looks and be able to accept themselves as they are, but several forms of the body are associated with poor health -- e.g., obesity, skinniness -- and it is best from a health perspective to encourage these women to aspire toward a healthier body, which will simultaneously also be more attractive to most people. Then there is also the issue of aesthetics. If aesthetic appreciation of what most people consider to be the most exalted female form, namely feminine beauty, potentially undermines the body image of some women, then I don’t think that aesthetic appreciation should be abandoned; some may feel otherwise, but heterosexual men can’t help but appreciate feminine beauty, and I don’t think it is inappropriate to aim toward establishing at least one mainstream outlet where feminine beauty is appreciated.

Sat, 09/23/2006 - 16:18 Hans Nonheterosexual vs. heterosexual male preference for petite women: Alessandra Ambrosio vs. Camille

This explores both male and female

Sat, 09/23/2006 - 07:31 jill Welcome!


I have read through you're entire site, but I still don't understand you're purpose. Do you want to take away the jobs from the masculine models and give them to feminine models instead? I do agree that models should not be unaturally skinny, but other than that I don't care if high-fashion models look masculine. Why shouldnt they be allowed to be models? They are also women, human beings with feelings.

The only problem with the high fashion models is that they are so skinny, and many young girls wants to be just as skinny. But it's also a problem with glamour models and they're big breasts becoming more and more popular. And all the halfnaked women shaking they're asses in music videos. Now there are many young girls who wants to get silicone implants. The next thing will probably be silicone implants in the butt and the hips for the girls who's not so curvy. Is this any better?

At first I thought this was a sight for normal women to make them feel better about there looks, but the more read the more I understood that this site is just as shallow as the fashion buisness. It seems that you have very high standards in how the women body should look like (allthough you've said this is not about how women SHOULD look like, you still give that impression, and I'm obviously not the only one who got that impression)and you are ironic/sarcastic when you ask "who think's this is sexy?" etc. about the high fashion models. So I kind of feel sorry for them.

I will recommend all women (masculine, feminine and the ones in between)to not care about this site. What women needs is NOT new standards, but LESS focus on the body and looks. And this site is doing the opposite.

Fri, 09/22/2006 - 20:03 Erik Gisele Bundchen slams skinny fashion models

Johnny: Pointing out that someone has breast implants, a flattened backside or excessive facial hair does not qualify as an insult. I already gave you a link about Giselle’s breast implants, but the first picture above is sufficient. Does one expect fashion photographers to digitally attempt to make fake breasts look natural or the other way around? A slender woman can have large breasts, but this would be uncommon and will be seen among the feminine ones, not masculine women such as Giselle.

Giselle has asked fashion models to eat well, implying that disordered eating among them is their fault, which is what is wrong. The reason that Giselle can afford to eat better than most other high-fashion models is that she has become a big star and her high status makes it possible for fashion designers to consider her even if she now falls short of the requirements that she needed to comply with when she started modeling. Besides, Giselle has been modeling for Victoria’s Secret for a while, which is another reason why she can eat a little better. Some Victoria’s Secret models are not mainstream high-fashion model material.

Regarding the supposedly feminine characteristics of Giselle; adolescent boys typically have relatively long and thin legs, some have thick lips, and they can keep long hair if they wish; it is an easy matter to pluck hair from the eyebrows to make them thinner, and you have ignored the masculine underlying bone structure; she is naturally flat-chested; and compared to feminine women, her hips are less rounded, pelvis narrower and backside flatter. Giselle Bundchen is unambiguously a woman with above average masculinization, which one infers from overall appearance rather than a few elements here and there.

Fri, 09/22/2006 - 18:28 Erik Nonheterosexual vs. heterosexual male preference for petite women: Alessandra Ambrosio vs. Camille

hmm fan: I will come up with a post on Victoria’s Secret models in a couple of days and then we shall see how feminine and attractive they are.

Fri, 09/22/2006 - 18:11 Erik Welcome!

Mark: Digital manipulation of photos would be employed to make fake breasts look natural rather than the other way around. A cursory look at some pictures is sufficient to reveal the existence of breast implants in a number of cases, which is consistent with the low odds of slender and masculine women having prominent breasts and confirmed in several cases by before and after pictures.

There is no way that a different angle is what is responsible for conveying the impression of an artificial breast enhancement and a nose job in Tyra Banks.

I have not provided any “doctor” advice. I am not verbally assaulting fashion models or using juvenile language. I have pointed out that some female fashion models look like male transvestites, male-to-female transsexuals or eunuchs. The latter is a statement of fact, which cannot be sugarcoated, though you could call the analogy harsh in light of the high status of these women, but then someone has to point out that the emperor has no clothes.

By the way, I will be coming up with an entry on Victoria’s Secret models soon, and I am positive that you will find it interesting.

Fri, 09/22/2006 - 17:51 Johnny Gisele Bundchen slams skinny fashion models

Some of my comments were to Rajat and some were to you. Sorry for any confusion. However, the insulting comments are very prevalent on this site. Many insults have been made regarding models butts, boobs, noses, facial hair etc. Just look at your own page "Sexy Fashion Models". When you said "Giseles breats implants are fairly obvious" that's like saying her implants are "kinda" obvious. All I'm looking for is some proof that her breats have been done. Like I said bra's and photoshop can do a lot. Do you think that there is now way that a thin woman can have large breasts? If you think she's had a boob job then say "I think she may have had a boob job, not she's obviously had her breast augmented"...okay doctor. I still do not think that Gisele said anything wrong. I find it amusing when you said "even small children intuitivley know what she has said above." Tell me then, what is she REALLY saying. Stop speaking for other people. And why is gisele able to eat better because of her status? What she can afford better food? Or is it that since she's famous she's allowed to be "fatter" then the normal model? What is that suppose to mean? I have read some of your reasoning, but how does Gisele look like an adolescent boy. She has full lips, long hair, big boobs, long thin legs, thin arched eyebrows, prominent hip bones. I think all women have some "masculine" and some "feminie" qualities. It's all about what you want to focus on. We could go on forever about this. I just think that this site needs to take a more professional approach to how it is conducted. State opinions approapriatley and leave the insults out of it.

Thu, 09/21/2006 - 21:23 hmm fan Nonheterosexual vs. heterosexual male preference for petite women: Alessandra Ambrosio vs. Camille

I read a little of the discussion over this website, and I have to say, THANK GOD someone commenting on this site is still firmly planted on EARTH! There is no way to talk anyone out of thinking that Victoria's Secret models are pretty!!!! We're lucky that somehow the media and general America isn't NEARLY as picky as Erik Holland, or we would all kill ourselves. Stop trying Erik!!!! Victoria's Secret models ARE NOT MASCULINE!!!! What you are saying is completely hilarious and WEIRD. And now you're talking about IQ's? Wow....

Thu, 09/21/2006 - 21:05 Mark Welcome!

In todays digital world you cannot take photographs for fact. Many pictures of models are photoshopped to make them look better. Almost all of the models in the top models page of this site (Gisele, Heidi, Alessandra)were accussed of having breast augmentations. How do you know this? A photo...not good enough. The picture of Tyra is simply a change of angle. Faces look differently at different angles. You make claims as if you are a plastic surgeon, doctor, chemist, fashion designer and gay. Please just state these ideas as your opinion. You say that when Tyra had her breast examined on her show that is was staged. Well, all of your "doctor" advice and opinions could be staged as well. Why do you care about this so much? I think it would be awesome if most men did not find the same women as me attractive...less competition. I can appreciate an opinion but I do not understand why you insist on verbally assulting these women. In the articles your comments are juvenile and unnecessary. There is a difference between a comment and an insult.
FYI most high fashion lingere designers (aka victoria's secret) require their models to have real breasts because fake breasts do not sit the same as real breasts do in a bra.

Thu, 09/21/2006 - 18:51 Erik Are these girls high-fashion model material?

Nelly: The fuss is about skinniness, not masculinization, and is limited to Spain so far. These two women have looks that are too feminine for the purposes of high-fashion modeling, and even if height and body fat issues were not problems, they would be rejected for being too feminine.

Thu, 09/21/2006 - 18:42 Erik Gisele Bundchen slams skinny fashion models

Johnny: Your complaint about “junior high name calling,” perfection and some other issues should have been addressed to commentator Rajat, not also the webmaster of this site.

This site is not about perfection. However, if feminine beauty is held as the reference standard, which is the case for most humans, then Gisele has numerous shortcomings, and her placement among the ranks of top models would be very perplexing if one did not know that homosexual men dominate the top ranks of the fashion business.

Gisele’s breast implants are fairly obvious, and you can look at her before and after pictures regarding the implants and her nose job.

What Gisele said is clear from the news item, and she deserves to be criticized for her statement. Fashion models that undereat are forced to do so upon pain of losing their modeling jobs, and the blame rests upon fashion designers.

High-fashion models are paid well because the fashion designers can afford to do so and they need to; if they offered a meager remuneration, then far fewer women would be willing to remain chronically undernourished to satisfy the aesthetic preferences of the homosexual fashion designers [many fashion models are not naturally as skinny as they need to be for the catwalk]. The famous ones have to be paid well for obvious reasons.

This entry is not intended to bash the looks of Gisele, but to point out the shortcomings of her statement. The problem is not that some women are skinny and masculine, but that such women are elevated to the highest status among models by the homosexuals who dominate the fashion business, which creates a lot of problems documented elsewhere within this site.

The gay factor is not a stereotypical and unfounded claim. One has to merely watch a few regular fashion shows and look at enough high-fashion models to infer that the central tendency among them is to approximate the looks of adolescent boys. As far as the gay domination of the top ranks of the fashion business goes, I have talked about evidence from The Advocate, a major publication catering to GLBT individuals, and can add a Dec 8, 2005 article in the New York Times, “In Fashion, Who Really Gets Ahead?” by Eric Wilson, which acknowledges the gay domination of the fashion business. Add extensive documentation of a much higher prevalence of sexual interest in children among homosexual and bisexual individuals compared to heterosexuals, and it becomes obvious why high-fashion models typically look the way they do.

Thu, 09/21/2006 - 17:20 Erik Welcome!

Mark: You should make a better effort to go through the site before criticizing it. All your objections have already been addressed. There is a lot that is objective about beauty; see this and then this. Nobody is saying that all top models have breast implants, though some do and it is obvious from their pictures. There are also before and after pictures of a number of fashion models that have undergone cosmetic surgery; e.g., Tyra Banks’ pictures above. Besides, all major ideas within this site are backed by extensive evidence, which will be added to with time.

Thu, 09/21/2006 - 14:29 netty Are these girls high-fashion model material?

perhaps they do stand a chance now, with all the fuss surrounding the modelling industry at the moment.

Thu, 09/21/2006 - 01:48 Johnny Gisele Bundchen slams skinny fashion models

When did Gisele claim that she was "born perfect"? Where is evidence that she has had ANY surgeries? You speak without having anything to back it up. It's fine if you want to post your opinion, but just remember it is YOUR opinion, not fact. I'm sure some people enjoy Giseles looks and other do not. Fine. Please research before you speak about something you know nothing about. I think Gisele was just saying that if you're naturally thin then great model, but if you are not naturally "model thin" then do not harm yourself trying to achieve it. There are some people that are just naturally very thin, rare but it does exist. Why do you think models are paid so well, because there's not a lot of people who look like them. Gisele has been modeling since she was 14, do you think that someone could lead a healthy and successful modeling career if they were anorexic or bulimic for 10 years. Very unlikely. And please consider that these are real people that you guys are ripping apart just because of personal insecurities. I feel that many of you who bash these models need to work on yourselves. Where's your self esteem, why do you let these models bug you when they have nothing but done their job? You do not have to like what they look like, but completley disrespecting them with junior high name calling is really sad. I also think that the article on the fashion industry is rediculous. Saying that homosexuals have picked these women that look like adolescent boys is very stereotypical and unfounded. Unless you can speak for all gay men then this, again, is just an opinion. Watch how you state it.

Wed, 09/20/2006 - 01:47 Mark Welcome!

This site is rediculous. Who the hell are you to say what is attractive or "feminine" and what is not. Beauty is completley subjective, always has been, always will be. There is no evidence saying that any of the models that were torn apart on this site, have had any plastic surgery. Some people are just genetically blessed. There has been little to no research done into the claims made on this site (all the top models having breast implants). There is no manuel for what is beautiful. Stop trying to define it. Either love yourself the way you are and leave other people that YOU think look better then you alone (aka models) or loose some weight and get a nose job. This is juvenile. Feels like 7th grade.

Mon, 09/18/2006 - 21:42 Erik Nonheterosexual vs. heterosexual male preference for petite women: Alessandra Ambrosio vs. Camille

Hans: IQ is not relevant to this site. Anyway, the majority of the hereditary contribution to variance in IQ is accounted for by additive genetics, i.e., the proper way to aim for higher genetically engineering IQs would be to manipulate multiple genes, which is a long ways off. An IQ of 200 is monstrous; an IQ of 120 is sufficient for a lot of scientific work, and Nobel Prize winners in science have an average IQ of approximately 140-145. If you consider that the correlation between brain volume and IQ is about 0.4, it should be obvious that achieving an average human IQ of 200, about 7 standard deviations higher than the current average of approximately 90, would require making the brain larger, which would need simultaneous increases in cranial size and female pelvic dimensions, and for aesthetic reasons also an all-around increase in human size lest we end up with huge heads and women with abnormally wide pelves, i.e., you are looking at genetic manipulation on the order of engineering a new species.

Sun, 09/17/2006 - 08:46 Hans Nonheterosexual vs. heterosexual male preference for petite women: Alessandra Ambrosio vs. Camille

Erik, On your 'Solutions' section you mention that "great intelects, athletes and beauty are beyond the capability of most humans".

This is obviously not good enough and DNA needs to be reworked. IQ especially needs sorting out to give an average IQ of 200. The higher the IQ, the easier someones life will be.

Sat, 09/16/2006 - 19:33 Erik Attractive women that unfortunately have small breasts

C: Women that are candidates for being beautiful and feminine are young adults, and hence breast sag would not be a problem if they have above average sized breasts. Heavenly breasts (large) in late teenagehood/around age 20 will often be in bad shape by the time the woman is in her late twenties, but by this age, the woman would be well past her beauty prime and generally not be considered for participating in beauty contests or high-standard glamour modeling.

It is true than skinny women also tend to have smaller breasts, but one would not seek feminine and beautiful women among skinny women.

Personally, I am not particular about breast size; small breasts are fine with me, and to date, the woman that I have been most strongly attracted to in real life happened to have an A-cup. However, this site is not about my preferences; the central tendency among lifetime-exclusive heterosexual men needs to be taken into account, and with respect to breast size, the central tendency is clearly a preference for above average sized breasts.

Sat, 09/16/2006 - 17:17 C Attractive women that unfortunately have small breasts

i actually like small breasts, because they are almost always cute and perky. it's much more appealing than big saggy boobs (naturals) or fake canteloupe ones.

what about naturally thin women? they almost always have small breasts. if they were big, they would look fake and unproportionate.

Thu, 09/14/2006 - 08:49 Erik Claire: for the skeptics

Hater: To the best of my knowledge, this woman is not a porn star; she is just a nude model. Only some of the nude/scantily clad women shown within this site are porn actresses, and some of the women shown do not pose nude or go beyond topless modeling.

To allow comments on entries that merely feature an attractive woman is to open the blog to a potential flood of useless and insane comments like yours, and is hence best avoided. If you have anything reasonable to say, you will be able to find appropriate entries to leave your comments.

Thu, 09/14/2006 - 08:35 Erik Eva Herzigova

Nooz: Some people do care about the issues addressed within this site. Areolas do not have much visual erotic appeal, and the genitals are censored if necessary, i.e., if the labia are obscured by pose/lighting or hidden by pubic hair, then there is no reason to censor the pubic region. Covering up the women more is not going to help with credibility when it come to people like you, and there are people who would dismiss this site even if all the women shown had their bodies covered by an opaque skintight garment.

Thu, 09/14/2006 - 08:09 Erik The 2006 Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue

Bree: Read the comments thread carefully and also the FAQ page to better understand the purpose of this site. The main purpose of this site is to promote feminine beauty. For instance, you have acknowledged that most participants in beauty contests have unimpressive faces and less attractive women often outcompete more attractive women. On the other hand, when you observe top sporting events or nominations for the Nobel Prize in science, the candidates are drawn from the best people available and the winners are the very best among the outstanding. Similarly, beauty pageants should be about the most beautiful women and the highest aesthetic standards. There is a lot more to this site; just go through it.

Besides, everyone is far from happy. To address two issues relevant to this site, the aesthetic preferences of homosexual fashion designers create problems; read the eating disorders page; and when mainstream publications targeting heterosexual men, such as the annual SportsIllustrated swimsuit issue, and even beauty pageants feature mostly masculine women, how can heterosexual men well-aware of the nature of feminine beauty be happy?

Thu, 09/14/2006 - 07:53 Erik Attractive women that unfortunately have small breasts

Micke: The excerpt you have quoted begins as “Regarding being dissatisfied with one’s looks…” Therefore, the statement applies to shortcomings in self. I am a man and am glad that I have very little fat over my chest muscles.

My lamentation is not about personal shortcomings, but about a specific shortcoming in some attractive women that I have come across. I am not dealing with the self in this entry; I am dealing with others.

In case you are “apathy doll” at the “realwoman community” thread here, I might as well address your others criticisms.

One of the criticisms addresses the possibility of feminine beauty prompting “a hell of a lot of plastic surgery on the parts of those not 'blessed' with the extremely narrow range of 'feminine' features” I have named. Well, breast implants do not look natural. There is presently no surgical solution to achieving a narrow rib cage; some women attempt to remove the lower ribs to achieve an hourglass figure, but this hardly helps since the broad part of the upper rib cage will remain that way. Similarly, there are no easy/no surgical solutions to making broad shoulders, masculine limb proportions and many other manly features more feminine. One should also consider the risks and expense of multiple major surgical procedures and prescription drugs. A combination of anti-androgen and estrogen supplementation will help achieve a more feminine appearance, but also increase the risk of a variety of cancers and other diseases. More importantly, in spite of extensive elaborate and drastic procedures, the final results will not be close to natural feminine beauty. Therefore, the promotion of feminine beauty will certainly not be prompting a sharp surge in plastic surgery.

Another criticism assumes my argument to be that gay men cannot appreciate the female form. The latter is not implied. The typical heterosexual man is able to appreciate good looks in men, which would be masculine, but he would not want his female choices to look masculine. Similarly, the typical gay fashion designer can appreciate the feminine form for what it is, but does not want his female models to look feminine.